Bug 2120 - [Tracker] Implement systemd in Mageia 2 - specifications
Summary: [Tracker] Implement systemd in Mageia 2 - specifications
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Mageia
Classification: Unclassified
Component: RPM Packages (show other bugs)
Version: Cauldron
Hardware: All Linux
Priority: release_blocker critical
Target Milestone: Mageia 2
Assignee: D Morgan
QA Contact:
URL: https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?c...
Whiteboard: QA
Keywords:
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Blocks: 1994 3402 3656 3960
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Reported: 2011-07-12 14:05 CEST by Anne Nicolas
Modified: 2012-05-17 16:14 CEST (History)
10 users (show)

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Description Anne Nicolas 2011-07-12 14:05:56 CEST 
Systemd is part of proposals for technical specifications fr Mageia2.

This bug is about question of its integration in cauldron and the way to do it
- make it smoothly: have both in parallel while it's not all integrated
- tests, QA, services modifications...
Jerome Quelin 2011-07-12 14:49:43 CEST

CC: (none) => jquelin

Anne Nicolas 2011-07-12 14:58:06 CEST

Blocks: (none) => 1994

Comment 1 Chris Denice 2011-07-13 13:36:31 CEST 
Hi guys, I read we can shout here so:

1) first thing to say from userland: motivations?

I hope systemd is no like another useless fashion program such as haldaemon and really brings an added value concerning usage of mga; or at least it's devel. Nobody seems to discuss this, maybe it is obvious?

2) On mandriva however, it deeply sucked. My own experience was that a lot of not-so-standard stuff were broken (like multi soundcards, modprobe config files no longer read and so on...) and nothing really cool happened on the user's side. So if this is going to happen on mga, it should not happen like this has been done on mdv.

3) Strongly against having both since it decreases the number of testers that would be forced to use systemd otherwise, and this will decrease our ability to debug it. Again, from the mdv move, I would even say that fixing issues in one may induce bugs in the other.

cheers,
chris.

CC: (none) => dirteat

Comment 2 Christiaan Welvaart 2011-07-22 00:33:23 CEST 
(In reply to comment #1)

ad 1: systemd allows fast booting and shutdown, and cleaner shutdown. Dependencies between startup tasks can be evaluated cleanly (systemd simply makes the task that depends on something else wait, instead of systemd waiting itself and then notifying the task). I think it also provides powerful analysis tools, logging is more robust, etc.

ad 2: I hope someone can list these problems (in a bit more detail) and we should verify and if necessary solve each one.

ad 3: IMHO we should not try to support the old init system even though it will likely still be provided in mga2. If people have problems with it the advice should be to switch to systemd.


And one question of my own:

Is systemd supposed to be used for new installs only or also for upgrades? In other words, are we going to "force" people to switch from old-style init/scripts to systemd + a few old scripts?

CC: (none) => cjw

Sander Lepik 2011-07-28 17:35:21 CEST

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Thierry Vignaud 2011-07-29 06:29:20 CEST

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Comment 3 Samuel Verschelde 2011-10-01 03:10:06 CEST 
Assigning to maintainer now that our maintainers database has an entry for
this package. Please assign back to bugsquad@mageia.org in case of a mistake
from me.

CC: (none) => stormi
Assignee: bugsquad => dmorganec

Manuel Hiebel 2011-10-07 14:40:16 CEST

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Dick Gevers 2011-10-07 15:40:16 CEST

CC: (none) => dvgevers
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Dick Gevers 2011-10-07 21:02:56 CEST

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Dick Gevers 2011-10-09 12:48:01 CEST

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Dick Gevers 2011-10-09 12:53:46 CEST

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-10-17 17:55:12 CEST

Priority: Normal => release_blocker
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Thierry Vignaud 2011-10-18 22:39:18 CEST

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Comment 4 Manuel Hiebel 2011-10-22 21:10:44 CEST 
We don't know who really work on systemd so please look at depends bug. Thanks

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Comment 5 D Morgan 2011-10-22 23:14:36 CEST 
coling and I, are for now the more working on systemd but everybody can come to help :)
Manuel Hiebel 2011-10-26 18:25:46 CEST

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D Morgan 2011-10-27 18:03:22 CEST

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D Morgan 2011-10-27 21:41:08 CEST

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D Morgan 2011-10-27 21:41:15 CEST

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D Morgan 2011-10-29 02:47:26 CEST

Severity: normal => critical

Manuel Hiebel 2011-10-29 16:53:10 CEST

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-10-29 16:53:20 CEST

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-10-29 16:53:37 CEST

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-10-29 19:28:36 CEST

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-10-30 20:29:30 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-10-30 20:31:15 CET

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Dick Gevers 2011-11-02 21:47:36 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-11-19 15:53:52 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-11-23 18:57:52 CET

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Jerome Quelin 2011-11-25 09:11:11 CET

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Thierry Vignaud 2011-11-28 10:05:10 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-01 17:34:34 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-02 18:33:31 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-02 18:36:56 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-03 00:02:31 CET

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Comment 6 Thierry Vignaud 2011-12-07 11:10:04 CET 
Adding a named query for systemd bugs (might be easier to manage systemd related issues)

URL: (none) => https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=systemd
Depends on: (none) => 3648

Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-07 11:50:13 CET

URL: https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=systemd => https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=systemd&sharer_id=81

Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-07 17:51:43 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-07 17:54:38 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-07 21:15:06 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-09 13:11:59 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-12 13:43:35 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-12 14:14:01 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-12 22:27:43 CET

CC: (none) => mageia
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Dick Gevers 2011-12-14 09:46:48 CET

Hardware: i586 => All
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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-14 20:14:01 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-16 19:40:18 CET

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Florian Hubold 2011-12-18 21:43:02 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-19 11:51:56 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2011-12-31 13:11:10 CET

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Comment 7 Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-05 19:08:25 CET 
General ping for Alpha 3

Whiteboard: (none) => QA

Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-07 17:20:13 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-16 15:41:51 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-16 15:46:53 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-17 18:13:22 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-18 04:19:59 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-18 04:30:09 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-18 16:17:33 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-18 22:34:40 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-18 22:37:00 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-20 12:27:35 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-20 12:28:23 CET

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Dick Gevers 2012-01-20 14:31:53 CET

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Dick Gevers 2012-01-21 13:30:23 CET

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Dick Gevers 2012-01-21 13:39:34 CET

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Dick Gevers 2012-01-21 13:41:58 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-23 00:37:05 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-23 12:14:24 CET

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D Morgan 2012-01-25 02:31:14 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-29 11:52:03 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-29 11:52:31 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-30 01:05:08 CET

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Marja Van Waes 2012-01-30 21:12:34 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-01-31 10:54:43 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-07 23:16:57 CET

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D Morgan 2012-02-11 03:30:54 CET

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Bit Twister 2012-02-11 10:45:01 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-13 00:59:18 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-13 23:58:55 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-14 00:04:49 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-14 00:07:15 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-15 17:46:29 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-17 16:57:34 CET

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Marja Van Waes 2012-02-19 12:20:35 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-20 14:18:46 CET

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Luc Menut 2012-02-22 23:18:48 CET

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Bit Twister 2012-02-24 10:14:44 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-24 21:41:16 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-27 21:42:46 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-01 15:53:53 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-01 15:54:59 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-01 23:59:00 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-06 23:50:53 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-10 16:03:00 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-11 21:32:54 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-12 18:27:37 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-13 16:52:02 CET

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Anne Nicolas 2012-03-21 22:11:34 CET

Summary: Implement systemd in Mageia 2 - specifications => (Tracker] Implement systemd in Mageia 2 - specifications

Anne Nicolas 2012-03-21 22:12:04 CET

Summary: (Tracker] Implement systemd in Mageia 2 - specifications => [Tracker] Implement systemd in Mageia 2 - specifications

Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-22 16:48:22 CET

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-27 03:08:06 CEST

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Colin Guthrie 2012-03-27 20:39:15 CEST

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Barry Jackson 2012-03-28 00:20:24 CEST

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-29 14:53:19 CEST

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-03-29 15:08:03 CEST

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David Walser 2012-03-29 20:56:19 CEST

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Kamil Rytarowski 2012-04-01 22:34:01 CEST

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Colin Guthrie 2012-04-06 23:55:30 CEST

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Colin Guthrie 2012-04-09 17:50:10 CEST

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Manuel Hiebel 2012-04-11 21:39:25 CEST

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Colin Guthrie 2012-04-12 01:03:23 CEST

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Guillaume Rousse 2012-04-24 18:49:06 CEST

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Colin Guthrie 2012-04-26 00:03:11 CEST

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Colin Guthrie 2012-05-02 22:59:05 CEST

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Comment 8 Colin Guthrie 2012-05-17 16:14:32 CEST 
All bugs now fixed! \o/

Status: NEW => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => FIXED
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