Description of problem: qdigidoc (Estonian digital signature application) is installed by default, even if "Remove unneeded software" is checked during installation. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): mageia4 alpha3 LiveDVD KDE Reproducible: Steps to Reproduce:
is it the only "Estonian apps" keep, or there is something else ? (like a firefox extension)
CC: (none) => mageia
There are more: qesteidutil esteid-browser-plugin They all coming from rpmstrate file used in isos building process. 5 LOCALES"et" esteid-browser-plugin qdigidoc qesteidutil
live install everything; but the fact that is does'nt remove these packages is indeed a bug
Priority: Normal => release_blockerSummary: qdigidoc installed by default mga4a3 LiveDVD KDE => installed by default mga4a3 LiveDVD KDE
CC: (none) => thierry.vignaud, tmbSummary: installed by default mga4a3 LiveDVD KDE => qdigidoc qesteidutil esteid-browser-plugin not removed "Remove unneeded software"
Blocks: (none) => 11704Summary: qdigidoc qesteidutil esteid-browser-plugin not removed "Remove unneeded software" => qdigidoc qesteidutil esteid-browser-plugin not removed with "Remove unneeded software"
Whiteboard: (none) => 4beta2
should be fixed in mga4 RC build 2 by simply preventing them to end up on the isos in the first place. People that need them can install them manually
Well, I'd call it a workaround, not a fix... However, ID card and it's on-line solutions are very widespread in Estonia: (http://www.id.ee/?lang=en). And Mageia is one of the very few if not the only Linux distribution, that supports ID card solutions out-of-the-box. Imagine a new, interested in Linux computer user, taking a Mageia Live-DVD, seeing that it is fully translated into Estonian already since the boot screen, booting it up and discovering, that it already also supports his/her ID card... So do these some packages, that due to that bug do not get removed with other unneeded software, outweight all that I described in the above paragraph? People that do not need them can deinstall them manually :D Well, I know, that my thoughts on this topic could have more weight if I was not an estonian myself, but at least I tried...
CC: (none) => jyri2000
Yes it's a workaround but if you read review of the distrib on blogs you could have seen this. (no links in mind) btw it take less than 2m to add online repo and install what you need ;) Sander is iirc an Estonian too
(In reply to Jüri Ivask from comment #6) > Well, I'd call it a workaround, not a fix... > However, ID card and it's on-line solutions are very widespread in Estonia: > (http://www.id.ee/?lang=en). And Mageia is one of the very few if not the > only Linux distribution, that supports ID card solutions out-of-the-box. > Imagine a new, interested in Linux computer user, taking a Mageia Live-DVD, > seeing that it is fully translated into Estonian already since the boot > screen, booting it up and discovering, that it already also supports his/her > ID card... Does every estonian have id card + reader ? (just asking, since we can use id cards + readers here in Finland too, but I dont know many that actually have / use them anyway, me included...) > So do these some packages, that due to that bug do not get removed with > other unneeded software, outweight all that I described in the above > paragraph? by that logic there is a lot of other packages that we should install for stuff to work oob for users.... and we'll release a live BlueRay that takes a week to boot :) > People that do not need them can deinstall them manually :D > Well, I know, that my thoughts on this topic could have more weight if I was > not an estonian myself, but at least I tried... Well, the other "downside" is that adding those deps by default pulls in QT stack even on Gnome, something that not everybody likes... So I really dont know how to cope nicely with this at this point...
(In reply to Thomas Backlund from comment #8) > (In reply to Jüri Ivask from comment #6) > > Well, I'd call it a workaround, not a fix... > > However, ID card and it's on-line solutions are very widespread in Estonia: > > (http://www.id.ee/?lang=en). And Mageia is one of the very few if not the > > only Linux distribution, that supports ID card solutions out-of-the-box. > > Imagine a new, interested in Linux computer user, taking a Mageia Live-DVD, > > seeing that it is fully translated into Estonian already since the boot > > screen, booting it up and discovering, that it already also supports his/her > > ID card... > > Does every estonian have id card + reader ? > (just asking, since we can use id cards + readers here in Finland too, but I > dont know many that actually have / use them anyway, me included...) Not every estonian but quite a lot as more and more communications with government are moving into the internet (the list is quite long: https://www.eesti.ee/portaal/!portaal.teenused_a_y). Not to mention banking and all that other stuff we do with ID Card. We are also one of the nations that vote online and for that ID-software was good argument to suggest Mageia. If you want safe malware-free environment you can boot up Mageia's LiveDVD and vote from there.
Yet another Estonian :-) says: yes, ID-cards (and also readers) are quite ubiquitous in Estonia: some 85% tax declarations are filed online and electronically, almost all bank operations are online and electronical (and authentication methods other than ID-card-based are strongly not recommended or even not available), even about 20% people voted electronically (which in Estonia means ID-card-based voting) in last general elections, students (both in secondary schools and universities) have electronical (and ID-card-based) scheduling and exam systems, and so on and so on
CC: (none) => bald
Hm, ok so you seem to be very active id users then :) (otoh, we accept bank authentication wen logging onto public services, so the same need for id cards has not really taken off here) So, maybe we could try to do what Manuel suggested on IRC a while back, and that would be to make all those packages require locales-et, so when locales-et gets removed it will remove "esteid-browser-plugin qdigidoc qesteidutil" (and hopefully the QT stack on gnome installs) I objected to it back then as it's somewhat an artificial dep, but maybe a good trade-off to get this sorted.
If that would resolve the problem then I have no objections.
ok, added. lets see how it works out in next live media build
Arf it doesn't works :( (kde 32bit livedvd )
is locales-es still installed ?
locales-et I mean
oh looks like the GUI was not complete, so qesteidutil and qdigidoc are indeed removed as locales-et Mozilla-esteid and esteidcerts are still here (maybe we can add a require too)
mozilla-esteid was fixed by sander, so closing. Thanks
Status: NEW => RESOLVEDResolution: (none) => FIXED