Nano is a very small and basic editor included in most Linux distributions. I find Mageia a fantastic distribution, but the lack of including Nano irritates me, same as it did with Mandriva when I used that. Not everyone likes using Vim, especially people who don't use it regularily. If you are setting up Mageia after installation, it can be hopeless to do this for some people without having the Nano editor. Yes, it can be downloaded after installation. Personally, that iss the first thing I always did when using Mandriva, and now also when using Mageia. I find this unecessary as it is a very cheap package to include, it takes almost no space and provides a magnificent benefit. In particular this benefit can be felt for people who is using an "offline" system or otherwise have problems getting online after installation. Without an easy to use editor this can be extremely irritating, especially when you just want to edit configuration files. Nano is not for programming, it's just for editing. There are numerous possible scenarios this can be useful. If you lack a functioning Xorg and desktop, the only alternative is Vim. And I don't want to swear here, but Vim is not exactly easy to use. Nano is the third most popular Linux editor, competing with the likes of Gedit behind Emacs and Vim. But those are not simple editors! Nano can be a simple editor in the standard Mageia distribution, at almost no cost at all! Reproducible: Steps to Reproduce:
Nano has been in our repos from the beginning. Current version in Cauldron is 2.3.2. Closing this as INVALID.
Status: NEW => RESOLVEDCC: (none) => jani.valimaaResolution: (none) => INVALID
I agree with the OP and I think the bug intent was misunderstood. The request is that this should be added to the base system so it is available in a fresh minimal installation. I have often found the lack of nano annoying, as (like the OP) I am not a vi(m) user. When struggling with no network and only CLI on a fresh install I have in the past had to put nano on a usb stick to install it in order to edit configs etc. For the very small overhead I feel this would be a valuable asset. Re-opening.
Status: RESOLVED => REOPENEDCC: (none) => zen25000Resolution: INVALID => (none)
Summary: Nano is a tiny and very basic editor and would be a good choice to include in the main distribution => Add nano to all installations by default
CC: (none) => ennael1, sysadmin-bugsComponent: New RPM package request => Release (media or process)Source RPM: GNU Nano => meta-task
CC: jani.valimaa => (none)
(In reply to Jani Välimaa from comment #1) > Nano has been in our repos from the beginning. Current version in Cauldron > is 2.3.2. > > Closing this as INVALID. It is in the REPO yes, but it is not in the default installation. Sorry if that was no clear. It should be included on the iso CD and DVD!
nano is already included on Mageia 3 DVD.
CC: (none) => boklm
Yes, but not installed by default. To clarify: In clean mga3 LXDE install from DVD: [baz@localhost ~]$ nano bash: nano: command not found [baz@localhost ~]$ vim --version VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3 (2010 Aug 15, compiled Mar 17 2013 19:32:28) Why vim and not nano? Is this just CLI snobbery? ;)
I share Barry's opinion. Nano is a wonderful editor, much better than the overrated VIM. Eventhough Nano is available on the installation DVD and from depositories, it should be installed by default. If I am correct it is installed by default with the latest Debian distributions, so why not with Mageia? This is not a major issue, but a really nice improvement.
CC: (none) => laurentcliff
if you add it here: http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw?view=markup#l776 it will be install as default
(In reply to Laurent Caruso from comment #6) > If I am correct it is installed by default with the latest Debian > distributions, so why not with Mageia? And that's one major annoyance in Debian default install.
(In reply to Nicolas Vigier from comment #8) > (In reply to Laurent Caruso from comment #6) > > If I am correct it is installed by default with the latest Debian > > distributions, so why not with Mageia? > > And that's one major annoyance in Debian default install. Why - where is the problem?
(In reply to Nicolas Vigier from comment #4) > nano is already included on Mageia 3 DVD. Is it? What about the CD? Is it installed by default?
(In reply to Laurent Caruso from comment #6) > I share Barry's opinion. > Nano is a wonderful editor, much better than the overrated VIM. Nano is CHEAP to include by default. It is a tiny package. Not sure about the dependencies, but I am quite sure it requires no extra packages for Mageia. I had a boot issue some days ago, using the rescue command it took me about 2 hours just to edit menu.lst to fix it due to VIM and no Nano. Had some internet issues in the past and wanted to do simple things after booting Mageia (also Mandriva in the past) and found myself helpless as a person who cannot use the not so intuitive VIM. It would be helpful for all people who are not used to VIM to have Nano installed by default. Using VIM for editing config files is an overkill, yes? And completely and utterly hopeless for someone who cannot use VIM. Actually, not having Nano included by default was always a HUGE annoyance for me with Mandriva, and is now also becoming my ONLY issue with Mageia, and for me and I am sure others, it is a HUGE issue to have to use VIM. Actually, after trying VIM in emergency cases, I realise I hate it and that it makes my life difficult. And I don't hate many things. But the annoyance I had with the rescue function and using VIM just made my face red. For such a simple thing as editing menu.lst!!!!
(In reply to Nicolas Vigier from comment #8) > (In reply to Laurent Caruso from comment #6) > > If I am correct it is installed by default with the latest Debian > > distributions, so why not with Mageia? > > And that's one major annoyance in Debian default install. Why is that an annoyance? Whats annoying about having Nano included by default as oppose to all the other software you do not use? Compared to those Nano is TINY. Its only a Megabyte or so. I mean, its now even part of the GNU operating system standards, isnt it? Its called GNU Nano?
People here have different opinions, just like Mageia users have. Some of us prefer Nano, some of us prefers VIM. This proves that it would be a great idea to have both Nano and Vim installed by default, so end-users can pickup the one they prefer and be super happy! It doesn't mean Nano have to be the default editor. But having it installed with VIM gives more possibilities and flexibility to Mageia users.
(In reply to Laurent Caruso from comment #13) > Some of us prefer Nano, some of us prefers VIM. > This proves that it would be a great idea to have both Nano and Vim > installed by default, so end-users can pickup the one they prefer and be > super happy! With such argumentation every editor should be installed. As well as loads of email clients, etc. A better argument is that vim can be really confusing, better to have a simple editor aside from vim. That could be nano.
CC: (none) => olav
(In reply to Olav Vitters from comment #14) > (In reply to Laurent Caruso from comment #13) > > Some of us prefer Nano, some of us prefers VIM. > > This proves that it would be a great idea to have both Nano and Vim > > installed by default, so end-users can pickup the one they prefer and be > > super happy! > > With such argumentation every editor should be installed. As well as loads > of email clients, etc. > > A better argument is that vim can be really confusing, better to have a > simple editor aside from vim. That could be nano. Well. I would argue, for someone who do not know VIM it is impossible to do even basic things like editing configuration files etc if they are stuck in a bad situation, like no internet connection, or rescue system for failed boot etc. I have had this situation several times. I did not change distro, but I can imagine other people would have. I have had times with failures where I had to use the liveCD to try to edit files on my only installed system (fstab mostly). Since Mageia did not have Nano I had to use another distro LiveCD, as it was impossible for me to use VIM to fix any config files to make Mageia running. Saying it it Mageia is a bit erronous, at the time it was Mandriva, but the problem was exactly the same,and a huge annoyance.
I've raised this on the development mailing list.
CC: (none) => mrmazda
CC: boklm => (none)
To be honest this has become much less of an issue for me since I discovered that mc is installed by default (at least in the installs I have done recently).
would be nice to close such a bug. WOuldn't take a lot of space to add nano.
CC: (none) => mageia
Added nano to meta-task in the CAT_X category next to vim-enhanced. Freeze push pending.
Fixed in Cauldron and the future Mageia 5.
Assignee: bugsquad => rverschelde
As per comment 20.
Status: REOPENED => RESOLVEDResolution: (none) => FIXED