I have the same problem with Mageia 1 Beta 1.

CC: (none) => ennael1

Same bug as bug 447.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 447 ***

Status: NEW => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => DUPLICATE

No, this bug is not the same as bug 447 (rpm package missing in DVD)
and here in this ticket 449 (choose a default Flash free plugin for web browser).

Mageia dev team must :
1) Choose a default Flash free plugin for web browser that will be installed with Mageia.
1) Choose between gnash lightspark for this default Flash free plugin for web browser. 
Note : Mandriva use Gnash for this default Flash free plugin for web browser
installed when Mandriva Free DVD is installed.

Status: RESOLVED => REOPENED
Resolution: DUPLICATE => (none)

Ah, yes, you're right. (But still, lightspark suggests gnash :)).

Hello Samir,

There is no flash plugin for firefox and others web browsers installed by default in Mageia.
I have the problem with Mageia Beta 2.

Because the developper said :
"Lightspark is an OpenGL application and probably the software implementation does no support PBOs. It's also possible that it's simply extremely
slow, lightspark is tuned for modern (OpenGL 2.0) GPUs."
and 
some users have a video driver that support only 2D,

I think that the best solution is to choose gnash as flash plugin in firefox and others web browsers by default in Mageia.

Anne,

Can you take a decision about this problem :
no flash plugin installed by default by Mageia DVD installer with web browser as firefox.

In a previous ticket :
2009.1 Alpha1 : no free flash plugin (gnash and swfdec) on DVD-ROM or in cooker FTP
swfdec plugin was installed as flash default plugin with Mandriva Free release.

Free plash plugin possibilities :
* swfdec : no update since 21 December 2008 (http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/download/swfdec/) -> not a good choice
* lightspark -> need a 3D driver with OpenGL2.0 support and ffmpeg compiled with x264 -> not a good choice
* gnash -> the best candidate.

If lightspark must "require" an ffmpeg built with h264 and AAC support then it definitely won't be on the DVD, which only contains free open source software. c.f. bug 447.

The same question I asked in bug 447 applies, does gnash or swfdec work reliably with at least a popular site like youtube? if they don't work, then installing them is useless, and actually would cause problems, as instead of the user getting a "Please install Adobe flash from foo" when he tries to play an online flash video, he'll be presented with either a blank black box or an error message (like lightspark).

(In reply to comment #7)
> If lightspark must "require" an ffmpeg built with h264 and AAC support then it
> definitely won't be on the DVD, which only contains free open source software.
> c.f. bug 447.
Ok, no problems, I understand.

> The same question I asked in bug 447 applies, does gnash or swfdec work
> reliably with at least a popular site like youtube? if they don't work, then
> installing them is useless, and actually would cause problems, 
Yes I understand and more tickets for Mageia support.

>as instead of
> the user getting a "Please install Adobe flash from foo" when he tries to play
> an online flash video, he'll be presented with either a blank black box or an
> error message (like lightspark).
On Mageia 1 Beta 2 DVD, I have only one flash plugin for Firefox that is gnash-firefox-plugin-0.8.9 in the core folder.
If I want to install Adobe flash plugin, then I need an internet connection to download the rpm package in the non-free folder in Mageia mirrors.

Then is-it possible to customize the user's firefox window with "Please install Adobe flash from foo" when he tries to play an online flash video by 
"Please install Free flash Gnash plugin available on Mageia DVD for basic flash support or install proprietary Adobe flash from non-free Mageia repo or download it from Adobe website at http://get.adobe.com/fr/flashplayer/ (Adobe Flash is recommended for a full flash support)."

An other solution is to add non-free repo in Mageia DVD because it is only  around 50MB.
Is there a problem to add this non-free repo in Mageia DVD ?

If it is not possible to customize the firefox window for Flash or to add non-free repo in Mageia DVD, then we need to add the previous text in this comment in the Mageia 1 release notes for the users.

We must not forget that somes users have no internet connection (it is the case in some countries in Africa) and then they must use only packages available on the Mageia DVD.

(In reply to comment #8)
> On Mageia 1 Beta 2 DVD, I have only one flash plugin for Firefox that is
> gnash-firefox-plugin-0.8.9 in the core folder.
> If I want to install Adobe flash plugin, then I need an internet connection to
> download the rpm package in the non-free folder in Mageia mirrors.
> 

If you don't have an internet connection, how will you watch online flash content to begin with? :)

> Then is-it possible to customize the user's firefox window with "Please install
> Adobe flash from foo" when he tries to play an online flash video by 
> "Please install Free flash Gnash plugin available on Mageia DVD for basic flash
> support or install proprietary Adobe flash from non-free Mageia repo or
> download it from Adobe website at http://get.adobe.com/fr/flashplayer/ (Adobe
> Flash is recommended for a full flash support)."
> 

That's not a message displayed by firefox, actually displayed by the web site you're viewing the flash video from (make sure you have no flash plugins installed and try playing a youtube video).

> An other solution is to add non-free repo in Mageia DVD because it is only 
> around 50MB.
> Is there a problem to add this non-free repo in Mageia DVD ?
> 

No, the DVD only contains free open source software.

[...]

> We must not forget that somes users have no internet connection (it is the case
> in some countries in Africa) and then they must use only packages available on
> the Mageia DVD.

Then those users don't need a flash plugin, no internet connection -> no online flash content...

Was this solved in Mageia 1, or not?

CC: (none) => marja11

(In reply to comment #10)
> Was this solved in Mageia 1, or not?

I do remember needing to install flash player after installing Mageia 1 rc, but I don't remember needing to install flash player after installing Mageia 1 official, even though I installed Mageia 1 official at least 8 times.

@ Y.LE NY
please tell if you think this * wasn't * solved

Keywords: (none) => NEEDINFO
Source RPM: (none) => drakx-installer-stage2

Thank you for your bug report.
We are sorry, but we did not receive the information requested above and we no longer maintain this version of Mageia. Please upgrade to the latest version (Mageia 1 or current cauldron) and reopen this bug against that version if this bug exists there.
As a result we are setting this bug to CLOSED:WONTFIX

Status: REOPENED => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => WONTFIX

As said on irc, be careful when you close a bug with the 'closeEOL' button. 
(You should more use the No Response but it's not the topic ;) )

I have check the idx of the alpha and it seems there is no flash.

Assigned to ennael.

Keywords: NEEDINFO => (none)
Status: RESOLVED => REOPENED
CC: (none) => sysadmin-bugs
Component: Installer => Release (media or process)
Resolution: WONTFIX => (none)
Source RPM: drakx-installer-stage2 => meta-task

(In reply to comment #13)
> As said on irc, be careful when you close a bug with the 'closeEOL' button. 
> (You should more use the No Response but it's not the topic ;) )
> 
> I have check the idx of the alpha and it seems there is no flash.
> 
> Assigned to ennael.

somehow it didn't get assigned, so trying again

Assignee: bugsquad => ennael1

also valid for livecds iirc

Priority: Normal => release_blocker

General ping for Alpha 3

Whiteboard: (none) => QA

I would close this as WONTFIX.

Sadly enough gnash is just no alternative for flash-player. It's less performant then flash-player and on my netbook almost unusable.
Better not to provide a flash plugin and let the user decide, what he wants to use.

CC: (none) => oliver.bgr

(In reply to comment #17)
> I would close this as WONTFIX.
> 
> Sadly enough gnash is just no alternative for flash-player. It's less
> performant then flash-player and on my netbook almost unusable.
> Better not to provide a flash plugin and let the user decide, what he wants to
> use.

And with lightspark ?

The same. CPU usage is going up to >90% and you still can't really watch a youtube video.

I would opt for not including a flash plugin.

So we don't have proper solution for free DVD. Closing then

Status: REOPENED => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => WONTFIX