Bug 4445 - Wubi or BEeN GRUBed (installer for Windows users with a single click)
Summary: Wubi or BEeN GRUBed (installer for Windows users with a single click)
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Alias: None
Product: Mageia
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Release (media or process) (show other bugs)
Version: Cauldron
Hardware: i586 Linux
Priority: Low enhancement
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Mageia Bug Squad
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Reported: 2012-02-08 19:06 CET by Anakin Skywalker
Modified: 2014-05-08 18:05 CEST (History)
2 users (show)

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Description Anakin Skywalker 2012-02-08 19:06:59 CET
I am afraid Mageia don't get as many new users as Mageia could have.

Many of the big distros use Wubi or BEeN GRUBed to attract new user because the eeze of be able to try without destroying there Windows installation.
On many laptops delivered with Windows it's the only way of installing Linux.

Why Mageia with roots in Mandrake, A distro forked with the purpose to make the most userfriendly and most easy to install desktop distro, don't have it is something i don't understand.

I'm not a coder but can it be hard to recompile one of them with the url poining to Mageia iso?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/grubed/
http://wubi.sourceforge.net/
Comment 1 Anakin Skywalker 2012-02-08 19:09:34 CET
If anyone take the challenge i can do the swedish translation.
Comment 2 Manuel Hiebel 2012-02-08 19:44:35 CET
Hi, thanks for the bug request

This is more a release/media enhancement request.

For grubed, there is no code source, nothing in the svn, so will be hard to make something...

We should also consider that the isos (live) are already full so no much place for other thing.

BTW: you can use virtual machine like with virtualbox, vmware, qemu, windows parallele, etc


(In reply to comment #1)
> If anyone take the challenge i can do the swedish translation.

For that you should talk to the related project (aka wubi or grubed)

CC: (none) => sysadmin-bugs
Component: New RPM package request => Release (media or process)
Summary: Mageia needs Wubi or BEeN GRUBed for newbes and Window migrators => Wubi or BEeN GRUBed (installer for Windows users with a single click)
Severity: major => enhancement

Comment 3 Marja Van Waes 2012-05-26 13:08:07 CEST
Hi,

This bug was filed against cauldron, but we do not have cauldron at the moment.

Please report whether this bug is still valid for Mageia 2.

Thanks :)

Cheers,
marja

Keywords: (none) => NEEDINFO

Manuel Hiebel 2012-06-12 20:29:44 CEST

Keywords: NEEDINFO => (none)
Priority: Normal => Low

Comment 4 Anakin Skywalker 2012-06-13 01:12:23 CEST
(In reply to comment #3)
> Hi,
> 
> This bug was filed against cauldron, but we do not have cauldron at the moment.
> 
> Please report whether this bug is still valid for Mageia 2.
> 
> Thanks :)
> 
> Cheers,
> marja

Hi Marja

I resently put this issue up on the wishlist for Mageia 3 on the featurelist https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy

But someone removed it quickly and my acount was crippled :-/

I still think it hold it's case for a good thing in Mageia for attract new users.
Even though the dinosaurs don't agree

Let it be a couldron bug until further thinking.

Have a realy nice day.
Anakin
Comment 5 Nicolas Vigier 2012-06-13 01:27:21 CEST
(In reply to comment #4)
> 
> Hi Marja
> 
> I resently put this issue up on the wishlist for Mageia 3 on the featurelist
> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy
> 
> But someone removed it quickly and my acount was crippled :-/

It was removed because you edited and renamed the template page. And your account blocked for 3 days to stop more damages. Please try to be more careful when editing the wiki.

CC: (none) => boklm

Comment 6 Anakin Skywalker 2012-06-13 02:58:06 CEST
(In reply to comment #5)
> (In reply to comment #4)
> > 
> > Hi Marja
> > 
> > I resently put this issue up on the wishlist for Mageia 3 on the featurelist
> > https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy
> > 
> > But someone removed it quickly and my acount was crippled :-/
> 
> It was removed because you edited and renamed the template page. And your
> account blocked for 3 days to stop more damages. Please try to be more careful
> when editing the wiki.

I'll soon give up.
I don't know if i dare to try another time. It's realy scary the fact that i can destroy a wiki.

To give any ideas about Mageia you have to carefuly read a manual and even though there is a good chans you fill in a a bug report wrong. As i did.
And it's the same in the proposal page.

As i understand it there is a template page.
A template page is suppose to be a template.
A page you edit and fill in the gaps before you post it. Not a page you can destroy. The original should be write protected.
Everyone is not wiki professionals or bugreport professionals
Why is everything so complicated?
I see webforms everyday i news pages and other sites where pages you fill in autogenerate a new page not destroying the original.

If. If Mageia ever attract a big usergroup you guys gonna have big big problems with things like my misstakes.
I could surf around more and make more misstakes so you know what is waiting. :-)

You too should have a nice day
Anakin
Comment 7 andré blais 2012-06-13 03:32:00 CEST
(In reply to comment #6)
> (In reply to comment #5)
> > (In reply to comment #4)
> > > 
> > > Hi Marja
> > > 
> > > I resently put this issue up on the wishlist for Mageia 3 on the featurelist
> > > https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy
> > > 
> > > But someone removed it quickly and my acount was crippled :-/
> > 
> > It was removed because you edited and renamed the template page. And your
> > account blocked for 3 days to stop more damages. Please try to be more careful
> > when editing the wiki.
> 
> I'll soon give up.
> I don't know if i dare to try another time. It's realy scary the fact that i
> can destroy a wiki.
> 
> To give any ideas about Mageia you have to carefuly read a manual and even
> though there is a good chans you fill in a a bug report wrong. As i did.
> And it's the same in the proposal page.
> 
> As i understand it there is a template page.
> A template page is suppose to be a template.
> A page you edit and fill in the gaps before you post it. Not a page you can
> destroy. The original should be write protected.
> Everyone is not wiki professionals or bugreport professionals
> Why is everything so complicated?
> I see webforms everyday i news pages and other sites where pages you fill in
> autogenerate a new page not destroying the original.
> 
> If. If Mageia ever attract a big usergroup you guys gonna have big big problems
> with things like my misstakes.
> I could surf around more and make more misstakes so you know what is waiting.
> :-)
> 
> You too should have a nice day
> Anakin

There is a difference between a template and a form you fill out.
With a form there is no risk, but it is less flexible and a lot more complicated to create.

In this case the template was meant to be copied to a new page, and then the copy modified with the suggested feature.  Wiki templates are usually used in a different (more programmer-like and complex) manner.
A template is *never* meant to be used by renaming and modifying.

In any case, don't be afraid to ask questions, and please take these corrections as an indication that you need to ask some questions, and not denying your contributions.
It can be a little complicated at first, but once you know, it is a lot easier.

Also, you can post to the mageia-discuss list or the forum if you are not sure how to proceed.

CC: (none) => andre999mga

Comment 8 Anakin Skywalker 2012-06-13 08:29:37 CEST
> There is a difference between a template and a form you fill out.
> With a form there is no risk, but it is less flexible and a lot more
> complicated to create.
> 
> In this case the template was meant to be copied to a new page, and then the
> copy modified with the suggested feature.  Wiki templates are usually used in a
> different (more programmer-like and complex) manner.
> A template is *never* meant to be used by renaming and modifying.
> 
> In any case, don't be afraid to ask questions, and please take these
> corrections as an indication that you need to ask some questions, and not
> denying your contributions.
> It can be a little complicated at first, but once you know, it is a lot easier.
> 
> Also, you can post to the mageia-discuss list or the forum if you are not sure
> how to proceed.

Just Make a sort of thing we ordinary users can use.
I just wan't to contribute what i think is a good idea.
I and certenly moast (non programing) users is glad to give input and have ideas on what can make Mageia an even better distro.
But all this complicated stuff is actually scaring us away big time.

To use an analogy. It's like a carpenter have to learn and understand blacksmithing before he can tell the the blacksmit how the hammer can improved.
Moast carpenters buy a better hammer from another blacksmith.

My advice is.
Take good care of the carpenters that try to improve the hammer instead of by from someone else.
If you guys realy wan't the imput. Remember KISS, Keep it simple.

Live well.
Anakin
Comment 9 Nicolas Vigier 2012-06-13 09:22:07 CEST
It's easy to say "make things easier", but what do you suggest in practice ?

Wiki is the standard tool used for collaborative documents, I don't know anything more simple. There is nothing difficult, people just need to take some time to understand how it works.

Also people are expected to take some time to give useful and detailed proposals, it shouldn't be something you do in 5 seconds. Fewer but better quality proposals are better than thousands of useless proposals.
Comment 10 Manuel Hiebel 2013-04-26 23:16:39 CEST
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-April/036993.html dropped from ubuntu 13.04

Status: NEW => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => FIXED

Comment 11 Manuel Hiebel 2013-04-26 23:29:38 CEST
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Resolution: FIXED => WONTFIX

Nicolas Vigier 2014-05-08 18:05:37 CEST

CC: boklm => (none)


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