Description of problem: Unable to copy alpha3-x86_64 iso to 4 gig usb drive dd: writing `/dev/sdg': No space left on device 2007+0 records in 2006+0 records out 4206886912 bytes (4.2 GB) copied, 556.136 s, 7.6 MB/s $ ll Mageia-2-alpha3-x86_64-DVD.iso snippet 4334813184 Jan 12 12:17 Mageia-2-alpha3-x86_64-DVD.iso Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): How reproducible: Steps to Reproduce: 1. dd bs=2M of=/dev/sdg if=Mageia-2-alpha3-x86_64-DVD.iso dd: writing `/dev/sdg': No space left on device 2007+0 records in 2006+0 records out 4206886912 bytes (4.2 GB) copied, 556.136 s, 7.6 MB/s
I agree that this is a problem with FAT32 based file systems. We've got to get this DVD iso under 4GB. I have been successful to copy it to a Mageia ext4 based file system
CC: (none) => wilcal.int
since the isos is more than 4Go I don't see the issue... and the release will certainly have 4.3Go or 4.4Go
(In reply to comment #2) > since the isos is more than 4Go I don't see the issue... Ok, since I had no problems doing it up until this release, I though it was a problem. > and the release will certainly have 4.3Go or 4.4Go Then you might want to consider putting a note in the errata document that the iso will not fit on a 4G memory device.
Hmmmmm. This is gonna present problems. Will it fit on a single side DVD? I think the biggest you can get on a standard DVD is like you need, about 4.3 or 4.4 GB. I don't think you can get the full 4.7GB.
On Linux there is no problem with a full 4.7 Gb iso. Nor should there be on NTFS filesystems. Nor on usb memory keys that are large enough. Note that a nominal 4 G usb memory key would be 4 Gib (power-of-two approximation), or 4.29 Gb (power-of-ten) (some of which will be needed for overhead). To store a DVD iso, use a nominal 8 G (or larger) usb memory key. So besides maybe mentioning this in the release notes, this is not a valid bug. Assigning RESOLVED INVALID
Status: NEW => RESOLVEDCC: (none) => andre999mgaResolution: (none) => INVALID
Reopening for now... Ennael, what do you think about this? Should we make the final isos fit on a 4G usb stick to help more endusers re-use their 4G sticks ? I mean not all people like the idea (or can afford) having to buy new usb sticks just for an install..
Status: RESOLVED => REOPENEDCC: (none) => ennael1, tmbHardware: x86_64 => AllResolution: INVALID => (none)Target Milestone: --- => Mageia 2Severity: normal => enhancement
It's a shame, isocheck was supposed to check this point. Damien can you modify it so that it can reject iso if size is too big?
CC: (none) => mageia
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3176 - one option to make things better.
CC: (none) => sander.lepik
I think this is an important point to discuss and make a final decision on. If it's at all possible the DVD ISO's should be less then 4GB and fit on a FAT32 drive. In reference to Bug 3176 fonts should be downloaded ( easily ) and not necessarily included on the release ISO.
Summary: 2_a3: Unable to copy alpha3-x86_64 iso to 4 gig usb drive => Unable to copy alpha3-x86_64 iso to 4 gig usb drive
(In reply to comment #7) > It's a shame, isocheck was supposed to check this point. Damien can you modify > it so that it can reject iso if size is too big? I can check, for now, isocheck checks that ISO size is good for a DVD. Let me see the diff with a usb stick...
I would like to give a plus to the idea to limitate to 4GB usb stick the release. DVD and CD create a lot of errors for people, they are not ecological(you trash them faster than you burn them, and not really reliable.(a little scratch and your system doesn't work anymore). Moreover, they are slower during installation than USB key. I would say it would be a plus to mageia to, not only allow, but promote the USB use as default for mageia 2. And, we have to not forget that most of the package are updated right after the installation, so is it really needed to push so many of them that are going to be replaced the day after ? I would thing that 300 less MB are not going to change the mageia quality at all...
CC: (none) => pmithrandir
Assignee: bugsquad => ennael1
(In reply to comment #11) ... > DVD and CD create a lot of errors for people, they are not ecological(you trash > them faster than you burn them, and not really reliable.(a little scratch and > your system doesn't work anymore). The argument environmental doesn't really hold true. If one is creating the iso for oneself, one should use a rewritable media, which is also immune to errors (one just rewrites it). If not for oneself, and the ultimate user doesn't provide the media, a dvd/cd is more economical (and environmental) than distributing a usb key. Using a usb key might be more environmental if ultimately reused many times. (It has a lot greater environmental impact to manufacture a usb key than an iso of equivalent capacity.) I find rewritable cds/dvds very reliable for a long period of time, if initially written properly (which can be problematic). > Moreover, they are slower during installation than USB key. True > I would say it would be a plus to mageia to, not only allow, but promote the > USB use as default for mageia 2. > > And, we have to not forget that most of the package are updated right after the > installation, so is it really needed to push so many of them that are going to > be replaced the day after ? Over a period of the release that could be true (although that is not my experience). I wait at least a month or 2 after a new release to upgrade, and I save all separately downloaded rpms, including updates and those not on the dvd. That is not even close to true on installation, including the many packages not on the dvd. > I would thing that 300 less MB are not going to change the mageia quality at > all... If we go that route (I'm not necessarily against), it might be nice to have a version for an 8G usb keys, which are very common. Also I would like to see a 4G (or more) iso containing non-free firmware/drivers where reliable free versions don't yet exist. Reducing the dvd by 300M will make this more difficult.
As already said in previous bugs and mails, we will not add new isos for now. QA team is much too small to manage this. One true thing is USB key size tends to increase and it would be a shame to limit it to 4 Go. 100 or 200 Mo can allow lots of software.
I think it would be a nice "advertising" to promote mageia as : the distribution you bring in your pocket, or the first distribution who advise there users to stop burning DVD... To surf on reusable product in place of others... The support is faster There is less errors You can reuse it almost as much as you want All computer can boot on them since 10 years... and more and more have no more DVD drive... And still we adverstise DVD... For 200 MB of datas that a normal user would never use. (the one who want it can find them online...) That is your choice, but it could be a simple way to not be like others...
beta 1 & 2 was less than 3.7Go so closing
Status: REOPENED => RESOLVEDResolution: (none) => FIXED