Description of problem: It isn't clear what's going to happen to GNOME installation from free DVD (Mageia DVD ISO - https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Installation_Media). GNOME3 installation requires non-free drivers very often. DVD "exclusively contains free-open-source software". GNOME3 failback mode installation (GNOME classic in Mageia jargon)? Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): How reproducible: Steps to Reproduce: 1. 2. 3.
Summary: GNOM3 on free DVD? => GNOME3 on free DVD?
Yes indeed, you are right, we need to improve that. (iirc there was a plan to make an iso with all network/video cards drivers, so it can be easy to add them, in the 'add-media' step) But maybe we can found another way, like have a proper fallback mode. added iso builder of the free, of the 'nonfree', and some gnome guys, feel free to comment
Priority: Normal => release_blockerCC: (none) => ennael1, fundawang, jani.valimaa, olav, tmbSummary: GNOME3 on free DVD? => GNOME3 on free DVD? (requires non-free drivers)Severity: normal => critical
Yes, the iso was uploaded by tmb. I tried the add media step with the 15/12 iso (64 bits DVD) but installer refused seeing /dev/sr1 and /dev/sr0 was taken by the DVD. I did not make further tries yet.
"Proper fallback mode" sounds convincing. Another thought, is GNOME-live-CD going to contain proprietary drivers? If yes, than free DVD should install GNOME classic and reference to GNOME-live-CD for GNOME3 installation. The whole point is "free" DVD. When Mandriva created it, there was some reason for doing so. Does Mageia want the same now?
Some free drivers are now capable of running gnome 3 (like nouveau) I think that having gnome 3 + fallback in Free DVD can still be a good idea, because it might work (with free drivers) and if not, the fallback will still be available.
CC: (none) => sfietkonstantin
With new enough software (not just GNOME, also stuff lower in the stack), we should be able to get GNOME 3.4 running just with software rendering. Not sure about the speed.
CC: (none) => andre999mga
General ping for Alpha 3
Whiteboard: (none) => QA
Olav, any input on that bug?
Interpreting 'free DVD' as 'containing only software garantished to work with 100% feature working on 100% existing hardware without any software whose license is not 100% approved by FSF' seems a bit excessive for me. Especially as we now perfectly than even without non-free drivers issues, some of those software will not work anyway because of a gazillion other problems. So, unless someone claims than he can prove gnome 3 is useless anywhere without non-free drivers (and given than I use it perfectly on Intel hardware, I seriously doubt from it), I'd say the decision is easy to take.
CC: (none) => guillomovitch
The software rending is only in Fedora 17. Still requires some patches in a few places (not sure how many, at least in gnome-session). I rather not try software rendering in Mageia; prefer predictability over trying out new technology. I haven't followed closely. Fedora has done a testing day for software rendering. Regarding drivers: For me the nouveau driver works much better than the nvidia one. Though apparently it doesn't have any fan control (my GPU doesn't have a fan).
Sorry to but in, but ?what about using xvesa as default on the gnome3 DVD, should work with anything, and have a splash screen at the appropriate point saying something about may need to use non-free drivers?
CC: (none) => scsijon
This is about providing a hardware accelerated environment. Not just about having a display driver.
CC: scsijon => (none)
It works fine for many people using free drivers, and fallback mode is also available (which is enough for me :) ), so there is not reason to not offer it to the many users who will want it. If your hardware has a problem running it, you can either not install it or add the proprietary drivers later.
Status: NEW => RESOLVEDCC: (none) => pterjanResolution: (none) => WONTFIX