Bug 30588 - Off topic discussion of Mageia ipv6 support
Summary: Off topic discussion of Mageia ipv6 support
Status: RESOLVED INVALID
Alias: None
Product: Mageia
Classification: Unclassified
Component: New RPM package request (show other bugs)
Version: Cauldron
Hardware: All Linux
Priority: Normal normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Mageia Bug Squad
QA Contact:
URL: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cg...
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Blocks:
 
Reported: 2022-06-30 12:34 CEST by drivalinux
Modified: 2022-07-04 21:35 CEST (History)
3 users (show)

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Description drivalinux 2022-06-30 12:34:15 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 1 sturmvogel 2022-06-30 12:42:34 CEST
Sorry to say that, but your bug doesn't fullfill any basic requirements for a proper report. It is not clear what the request or the problem or anything else is. It is a lose collection of links without any context. It seems like SPAM.

See here our documentation how to file a bug report properly:
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_report_a_bug_properly

Sorry but this bugreport is (like the others from you) INVALID.

Resolution: (none) => INVALID
Status: NEW => RESOLVED

Comment 2 sturmvogel 2022-06-30 12:45:56 CEST
Additionally you did start to SPAM the Opensuse bugtracker with the same stuff with references to Mageia.
Comment 3 drivalinux 2022-06-30 12:53:13 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 4 sturmvogel 2022-06-30 12:59:08 CEST
(In reply to drivalinux from comment #3)
> I'm creating a knowledge base, for all Linux distributions.

Please consider that Bugzilla's purpose is not to be a "knowledge base".  If you would follow our development you would already have noticed that we are using the latest available stable kernels from upstream in cauldron so we are already using "modern, fast, secure and stable technology".
Comment 5 drivalinux 2022-06-30 13:22:04 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 6 drivalinux 2022-06-30 13:37:59 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 7 drivalinux 2022-06-30 14:20:07 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 8 sturmvogel 2022-06-30 14:31:13 CEST
Your claims are very strong. Nobody restricted or violated your "human rights". Nobody here denied you "the access to information, to knowledge". Nobody here restricted your "freedom of expression".

As you were already told in bug 25003 by David, Mageia complies with the parts of your law that are applicable to Mageia: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25003#c7
(This law isn't even applicable for 95% of Mageia).

(In reply to drivalinux from comment #7)
> I'm sorry, for demanding from you, the same standard of
> quality, of Linux distribution, as for example: openSUSE Linux. 

This could qualify as attack on our QA team. Please name some valid points where we don't meet "the standard of quality from other distributions". (BTW also Opensuse flagged your bugs as INVALID)
Comment 9 drivalinux 2022-06-30 15:28:51 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 10 sturmvogel 2022-06-30 15:35:01 CEST
Please read the instructions carfully. You got already the answer why you cannot login into wiki. The instructions are given in your comment 5 to gain access. This is necessary to protect our infrastructure against spammers.
Comment 11 drivalinux 2022-06-30 16:00:08 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 12 sturmvogel 2022-06-30 16:04:38 CEST
I was going through some of the links in your incoherent collection. Most of your collection is not even included or shipped with Mageia.

"ardana-barbican, grafana, openstack-barbican, openstack-cinder, openstack-heat-gbp, openstack-horizon-plugin-gbp-ui, openstack-ironic, openstack-keystone, openstack-neutron-gbp, python-lxml, release-notes-suse-openstack-cloud"
We don't need to fix anything which is not included in Mageia.

And your incoherent kernel bug collection affects kernel series which we don't ship in Mageia 8 nor Cauldron.

So please explain again where Mageia lacks quality!

Your Linuxreviews article is old and your claimed "freedom of expression" applies for it. It is the personal expression of the author.
Comment 13 drivalinux 2022-06-30 16:40:18 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 14 sturmvogel 2022-06-30 17:16:01 CEST
(In reply to drivalinux from comment #13)
> Hypothesis: Mageia Linux may not have mentioned a certain bug, not because
> the bug does not exist, but because it did not mention the existence of the
> bug, because sometimes the bug exists, but no one knows that it exists,
> because it is not mentioned, and regardless of whether or not the bug
> exists, it should be mentioned, to be sure, whether or not Mageia Linux is
> affected by the bug, for security and predictability reasons.
Gibberish?

(In reply to drivalinux from comment #13)
> For example: "standard of quality"
> openSUSE Linux: "standard of quality": automatic initial setup in Wine
> Mageia Linux: "standard of quality": no automatic initial configuration in
> Wine
> Compare openSUSE Linux and Mageia Linux, and then tell me the result, in the
> Wine configuration.
Not true at all. If you open wine the first time after installation, it creates a basic configuration (wine prefix depends on your computer architecture). I'm using Tumbleweed and Mageia on my gaming machine and i'm using different applications for gaming.


(In reply to drivalinux from comment #13)
> And example: "standard of quality"

> openSUSE Linux: "standard of quality": openSUSE Linux, added, as having
> IPv6-only support, here: Wikipedia: Comparison of IPv6 support in operating
> systems
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_IPv6_support_in_operating_systems
> 
> 
> Mageia Linux: "standard of quality": Mageia Linux, not added, as having
> IPv6-only support, here: Wikipedia: Comparison of IPv6 support in operating
> systems
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_IPv6_support_in_operating_systems
Also completely invalid "argumentation". Mageia is only not listed in this table (as dozens of other linux distributions out there). This table is at the free wikipedia and doesn't claim completeness. Mageia supports IPv6 as was already explained to you in your other bugreport. Mageia gives their users the freedom to use either IPv4 or IPv6 according to their needs.
Comment 15 drivalinux 2022-06-30 17:32:49 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 16 sturmvogel 2022-06-30 17:50:21 CEST
This is my last response to this topic as there seems to be a lack of understanding on your side and this will lead to nowwhere as you are not open to facts.

(In reply to drivalinux from comment #15)
> I know, my argument is complex, but it makes sense.
Sorry, no.


(In reply to drivalinux from comment #15)
> Wine: Does it install the net framework (mono), automatically?
Yes, it installs automatically when you install the first windows application.


(In reply to drivalinux from comment #15)
> I understand. It is important, Mageia Linux, to document IPv6-only support,
> and to be part of this Wikipedia list, for the sake of predictability.
Please, please, please read wikipedia article again. This page is NOT about IPv6-only support. It is about IPv6-ready. This is a massive and important difference. And Mageia is not IPv6-only (the same as the other distributions in this wiki  page). If you feel the need to add Mageia to this list, do it. Wikipedia can be edited by anybody. That's also a reason why anybody with a sane mind don't trust all informations given there.
Comment 17 Morgan Leijström 2022-06-30 17:54:46 CEST
@sturmvogel, you have an impressive patience :)


@drivalinux:

You say you want to improve quality, but instead you divert precious donated free time time from people who work on quality.

If you really want to help, first learn the actual status of things, then ask how you can help.

It is obvious you have in several cases not even tried to check about kernels and other packages or even tried how things works in Mageia.

To get help and to learn the forum is the right place, not here. Search first, then ask.

Also, please search and read our wiki and documentation.  For example you could have found a check-box regarding IPv6 https://doc.mageia.org/mcc/8/en/content/mcc-network.html#d4e1599

Welcome back when you are serious.

CC: (none) => fri

Comment 18 sturmvogel 2022-06-30 18:04:01 CEST
(In reply to Morgan Leijström from comment #17)
> @sturmvogel, you have an impressive patience :)
I was soaked with enough caffeine today.... ;)
Comment 19 Dave Hodgins 2022-06-30 18:22:20 CEST
I'll add one more answer then I'll stop responding to these pointless bug
reports.

Regarding ipv6, Mageia supports ipv6 only, ipv4 only, and ipv4+ipv6 systems.
The tools for both are included. It's up to the administrator (i.e. root user)
to decide what to install for their systems.

Regarding security, we have security and kernel teams that monitors new bug
reports for the packages that Mageia provides. Those fixes that apply to Mageia
provided packages are included in updates Mageia provides.

We do not provide fixes for packages that we do not provide.

Regarding the constant references to Mageia 7, support for Mageia 7 ended
a year ago. https://www.mageia.org/en/support/

It will not be receiving bug fix or security updates.

Do not file additional bug reports about things that do not apply to Mageia,
that are wasting everyone's time. If they continue, your access to bugzilla
may be revoked.

CC: (none) => davidwhodgins

Comment 20 drivalinux 2022-06-30 21:04:20 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 21 Dave Hodgins 2022-06-30 21:15:46 CEST
$ urpmq -i rdnssd
Name        : rdnssd
Version     : 1.0.3
Release     : 5.mga8
Group       : Networking/Other
Size        : 52364                        Architecture: x86_64
Source RPM  : ndisc6-1.0.3-5.mga8.src.rpm
URL         : https://www.remlab.net/ndisc6/
Summary     : IPv6 recursive DNS server discovery daemon
Description :
rdnssd autoconfigures recursive DNS servers on IPv6 networks
using ICMPv6 Neighbor Discovery (RFC 5006), and can update
the DNS resolvers configuration (/etc/resolv.conf) accordingly.

All of the above items have been present since Mageia 7, and are included
in the currently supported release, Mageia 8, and will of course also be
present in Mageia 9 when it is released.
Comment 22 Morgan Leijström 2022-06-30 21:39:58 CEST
@drivalinux:

Tank you for the Wikipedia edit :)
I am no network expert, but consider:

1) For version better state the current release: Mageia *8* (even if it have been supported both earlier and in the future)

2) Possibly cut down on the Notes text, it is unnecessarily long. proposal:

  Mageia supports ipv6 only, ipv4 only, and ipv4+ipv6 systems.
Comment 23 drivalinux 2022-06-30 23:43:21 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 24 Dave Hodgins 2022-07-01 00:44:32 CEST
If you want it to be accurate, it should simply state that "Mageia has had full support for ipv6 only and ipv4+ipv6 since Mageia 7, as well as continuing to support ipv4 only systems."

Don't mention Mageia 9 as by doing so, it falsely implies that it will be added
as a new feature in Mageia 9. Since Mageia 9 is not yet available, it's implying
Mageia does not yet support ipv6.
Comment 25 Dave Hodgins 2022-07-01 00:55:22 CEST
I decided to make the change myself.
Comment 26 drivalinux 2022-07-01 01:37:13 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Dave Hodgins 2022-07-01 01:42:51 CEST

Summary: Mageia Linux 9 Final: suggestion, add support: Current Internet, client and server: modern, fast, secure and stable: IPv6 Linux Kernel / ngtcp2 / nghttp3 => Off topic discussion of Mageia ipv6 support

Comment 27 Dave Hodgins 2022-07-01 01:46:37 CEST
Referral added.
Comment 28 drivalinux 2022-07-01 01:53:00 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 29 Morgan Leijström 2022-07-01 08:46:20 CEST
@Dave: Good edit :)

@drivalinux:

Again, please investigate before burning others time.
Example: kernel 5.18 is already available in Mageia 8 too
- in the Backports repository.

Similarly, dont dump texts in wikis, better process teh information and make a shorter more precise text without too much detail to better aid the readers.  As Dave did.
Comment 30 drivalinux 2022-07-01 16:15:16 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 31 drivalinux 2022-07-03 16:34:42 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 32 drivalinux 2022-07-03 16:40:06 CEST Comment hidden (spam)
Comment 33 Morgan Leijström 2022-07-03 17:22:58 CEST
(In reply to drivalinux from comment #31)
> Mageia Linux Team: Please update the operating system, articles,
> documentation and Wiki accordingly with what I said before.

We are all working on Mageia in our spare time.

Please join and contribute constructively yourself.


(In reply to drivalinux from comment #32)
> Sorry if it's off topic.

It is.

> To everyone: Thanks for everything! Sorry for anything.

Heard that some times. And please trim your posts. No need to repeat everything, it just makes the tread harder to read.
Comment 34 sturmvogel 2022-07-03 17:30:30 CEST
There is absolutely no need to do full quotes as it makes everything unreadable (and lowers the readers will to read your stuff).

As you proceed to copy random/incoherent links from internet without any context what you try to tell the reader i can only come to my personal conclusion again that this is SPAM in it's finest form.

And you proceed to claim that we need to "Switch to IPv6, and use a more current Linux Kernel". With this claim you show your ignorance of all the information that was given to you several times. Mageia 8 is using already the latest LTS kernel series 5.15.x and provides also the latest stable kernel 5.18.x series in backports. Mageia 9 (cauldron) provides the latest stabel kernel series 5.18.x.
And you where already told several times that Mageia uses IPv6.

So i can only repeat what Morgan already told you:
(In reply to Morgan Leijström from comment #33)
> Heard that some times. And please trim your posts. No need to repeat
> everything, it just makes the tread harder to read.

(In reply to Morgan Leijström from comment #29)
> Again, please investigate before burning others time.
> Example: kernel 5.18 is already available in Mageia 8 too
> - in the Backports repository.
> 
> Similarly, dont dump texts in wikis, better process teh information and make
> a shorter more precise text without too much detail to better aid the
> readers.
Comment 35 drivageialinux drivageialinux 2022-07-04 21:08:19 CEST Comment hidden (spam)

CC: (none) => drivageialinux

Comment 36 sturmvogel 2022-07-04 21:35:10 CEST
To the admins: He pulled the same SPAM stunt in 2015 on the Opensuse ML (incoherent link spamming about IPv6 and stuff like that).

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