Description of problem: Don't sure if userdrake is the guilty but i have to start with this I have a MGA 8 system upgraded from MGA 7, and for test purposes i create a new user without password , close session try to start session with the new user i see for a few seconds the Mageia Welcome screen the black then Mageia Wallpaper and stay in it "forever" until i Ctrl Alt Backspace I try: give the new user a password give a custom hostname reboot and try to start session in this new user But same result Not sure what other information i can provide
Created attachment 12682 [details] journal info of 27-apr-2021
Forget to say SDDM / Plasma
Thank you for the report, and sorry for the inconvenience. To summarise your system, please post the output of: $ inxi -MSGxx Re the journal, I think this is a sample start point for the bug: 27 20:38:40 - reboot .... 27 21:41:49 cefiro systemd-logind[810]: New session 13 of user testuser. 27 21:41:49 cefiro systemd[1]: Started Session 13 of user testuser. 27 21:41:49 cefiro login[15325]: pam_unix(login:session): session opened for user testuser by LOGIN(uid=0) 27 21:41:49 cefiro login[15325]: LOGIN ON tty2 BY testuser ... 27 21:41:56 cefiro systemd-logind[810]: Removed session 13 27 21:41:56 cefiro systemd[1]: Stopped Getty on tty2 but searching for 'testuser' shows other instances. Can you confirm that at least the existing user runs OK. And what happens if you create a second 'new' user, and re-login to that? BTW To limit the journal to just the current boot (if the GUI is blocked, use a virtual console Ctl/Alt/Fn), please do: # journalctl -b --no-hostname > filename or for the previous session # journalctl -b -1 --no-hostname > filename
Status: NEW => NEEDINFOCC: (none) => lewyssmith, ouaurelien
(In reply to Lewis Smith from comment #3) > Thank you for the report, and sorry for the inconvenience. To summarise your > system, please post the output of: > $ inxi -MSGxx inxi -MSGxx System: Host: cefiro Kernel: 5.10.30-desktop-1.mga8 i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 10.3.0 Console: tty 1 wm: kwin_x11 DM: SDDM Distro: Mageia 8 mga8 Machine: Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: Compaq Presario C700 Notebook PC v: F.34 serial: CND8452P36 Chassis: type: 10 serial: N/A Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 30D9 v: 83.21 serial: CND8452P36 BIOS: Hewlett-Packard v: F.34 date: 09/25/2008 Graphics: Device-1: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics vendor: Hewlett-Packard Presario C700 driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:2a02 Device-2: Chicony integrated USB webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus ID: 1-6:4 chip ID: 04f2:b057 Display: server: Mageia X.org 1.20.11 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: intel,v4l resolution: 1360x768~60Hz s-dpi: 96 OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 965GM (CL) v: 2.1 Mesa 21.0.2 direct render: Yes > Can you confirm that at least the existing user runs OK. The user that i create in MGA 7 time works and is from i write this bug > And what happens if you create a second 'new' user, and re-login to that? > I will test and come back
Same result with the second new user this time i create it with password
Created attachment 12685 [details] journalctl -b --no-hostname
Created attachment 12686 [details] ps faux|grep jhondoe
Lewis could this be a unexpected side effect of bug#27362 ?
Ping Aurélien on that. Looking at all you have tried, I cannot see any connection. Your problem relates specifically to new users, even if you log directly into them from booting. However, it will be useful to see whether the many updates just pushed for it (https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27362#c36) change your situation. Can you try with Wayland? You have to install additional packages, but I am not sure exactly which ones. Nor if it is available 32-bit. I have: kwayland-5.76.0-1.mga8 kwayland-integration-5.20.4-1.mga8 kwayland-server-5.20.4-1.mga8 kwin-wayland-5.20.4-3.mga8 lib64gstwayland1.0_0-1.18.3-1.mga8.tainted lib64kf5wayland5-5.76.0-1.mga8 lib64kwaylandserver5-5.20.4-1.mga8 lib64qt5waylandclient5-5.15.2-2.mga8 lib64qt5waylandcompositor5-5.15.2-2.mga8 lib64wayland-client0-1.18.0-3.mga8 lib64wayland-cursor0-1.18.0-3.mga8 lib64wayland-egl1-1.18.0-3.mga8 lib64wayland-server0-1.18.0-3.mga8 plasma-workspace-wayland-5.20.4-5.mga8 qtwayland5-5.15.2-2.mga8 x11-server-xwayland-1.20.11-1.mga8 but think you only need to add just one or two of those. Arélien will know. Once you have it, it shows as a new entry in the SDDM desktop choice list. Admitting this is a stab in the dark, the idea comes from that other Bug 27362.
Hardware: All => i586
(In reply to Lewis Smith from comment #9) For the moment i will wait until packages of bug#27362#c36 reach official updates Thanks
(In reply to katnatek from comment #0) > Description of problem: > > Don't sure if userdrake is the guilty but i have to start with this > > I have a MGA 8 system upgraded from MGA 7, and for test purposes i create a > new user without password , close session try to start session with the new > user > i see for a few seconds the Mageia Welcome screen the black then Mageia > Wallpaper and stay in it "forever" until i Ctrl Alt Backspace > > I try: > give the new user a password > give a custom hostname > reboot and try to start session in this new user Log with the test user, when you reach the stuck Mageia Wallpaper, do: alt+f2 to launch KRunner and issue: "plasmashell --replace &" If Plasma does not start, unfortunately there is something from in the Plasma config files in this user directory. Log off this user as root: on a tty, do: loginctl See the jhondoe session and do for example if c2 is the session of jhondoe: loginctl kill-session c2 Later, as root, remove in jhondoe directory all .config, .cache, .local, .dbus, .kde directories. Remove also .Xauthority files. Try again after a full system restart.
(In reply to Aurelien Oudelet from comment #11) > Log with the test user, > when you reach the stuck Mageia Wallpaper, do: > alt+f2 to launch KRunner and issue: "plasmashell --replace &" > This not works for unknown reason the mouse pointer disappear when reach this point if that is useful, and don't see the correspondent action after pres alt+f2 Just in case i try again after from my working user in console run su - jhondoe systemsettings5 And set some things as in my working user > If Plasma does not start, unfortunately there is something from in the > Plasma config files in this user directory. > > Log off this user as root: > on a tty, do: > loginctl > > See the jhondoe session > and do for example if c2 is the session of jhondoe: > loginctl kill-session c2 > Thank you for this info > Later, as root, remove in jhondoe directory all > .config, .cache, .local, .dbus, .kde directories. Remove also .Xauthority > files. > > Try again after a full system restart. This also don't works but honestly it surprise me if other way, don't see difference in this and start session after reboot with the user recently created
Created attachment 12692 [details] updated ps faux|grep jhondoe Well today i: update for packages in bug#27362 a delete all the nonworking users enable msec, i use to disable it recreate the jhondoe user reboot And still not works :'( I still see a defunct process /usr/bin/startplasma-x11 \_ [50-systemd-user] <defunct> If i remember well a systemd update is been prepared, so i comeback when i test the wayland idea.
Created attachment 12693 [details] output of plasmashell --replace runing in wayland The wyland session load but presents to me an empty desktop with the "Shell" background by default I can open console and run plasmashell --replace& as suggested
(In reply to katnatek from comment #14) > Created attachment 12693 [details] > output of plasmashell --replace runing in wayland > > The wyland session load but presents to me an empty desktop with the "Shell" > background by default > > I can open console and run plasmashell --replace& as suggested There something wrong on this system and in the user directory. It seems there is some bad permissions issues, like not writable folder for the user or owned by root instead of him. Normally, such behavior: an empty session should give you a default desktop without any glitches. As we can see what's wrong, I propose to reinstall Plasma: as root: Default Plasma rpm on x86_64 (possible duplicates as I grepped them on my system) plasma-pa-5.20.4-1.mga8 lib64plasmapotdprovidercore1-5.20.4-1.mga8 plasma-workspace-5.20.4-5.mga8 lib64plasmacomicprovidercore1-5.20.4-1.mga8 lib64kf5plasma5-5.76.0-2.mga8 plasma-browser-integration-5.20.4-1.mga8 plasma-integration-5.20.4-1.mga8 kdeplasma-addons-5.20.4-1.mga8 plasma-framework-5.76.0-2.mga8 lib64kf5plasmaquick5-5.76.0-2.mga8 task-plasma5-minimal-5.20.4-2.mga8 plasma-wayland-protocols-1.1.1-1.mga8 plasma-applet-nm-5.20.4-1.mga8 mageia-plasma5-config-8-5.mga8 plasma-workspace-wayland-5.20.4-5.mga8 lib64plasma-geolocation-interface5-5.20.4-5.mga8 plasma-disks-5.20.4-1.mga8 plasma-desktop-5.20.4-4.mga8 lib64kdebugsettings5-20.12.0-1.mga8 kdesu-5.76.0-1.mga8 kde-cli-tools-5.20.4-1.mga8 kdeconnect-kde-20.12.0-1.mga8 kde-gtk-config-5.20.4-1.mga8 kdeclarative-5.76.0-3.mga8 lib64kdeconnectpluginkcm20-20.12.0-1.mga8 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(In reply to Aurelien Oudelet from comment #15) > There something wrong on this system and in the user directory. It seems > there is some bad permissions issues, like not writable folder for the user > or owned by root instead of him. Normally, such behavior: an empty session > should give you a default desktop without any glitches. What is most puzzling here is that *new* users suffer the problem, not the existing one. So the (reasonable) idea that there is something wrong with the new home directories suggests a problem with adding the new user. @katnatek Thank you for trying Plasma/Wayland, although the results were confused. You did not say exactly how you added it (we have no wiki!); but it should basically work without any manipulations beyond choosing it from the SDDM login screen. Are you willing to install an additional lightweight desktop (say LxQt) to test whether your problem is related to Plasma specifically? Beware; if you do, you will not be able to remove it - that is not recommended. So do not add another desktop unless you can live with it: which does not mean you need to use it.
CC: (none) => kde
(In reply to Lewis Smith from comment #16) > @katnatek > Thank you for trying Plasma/Wayland, although the results were confused. You > did not say exactly how you added it (we have no wiki!); but it should > basically work without any manipulations beyond choosing it from the SDDM > login screen. > The Release notes mention something https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_8_Release_Notes#Plasma i install that and plasma-wayland-protocols > Are you willing to install an additional lightweight desktop (say LxQt) to > test whether your problem is related to Plasma specifically? > Beware; if you do, you will not be able to remove it - that is not > recommended. So do not add another desktop unless you can live with it: > which does not mean you need to use it. Yes sure, i am preparing anwswer to comment #15 , maybe after that ;)
(In reply to Lewis Smith from comment #16) Forget to say that the existing user also presents empty desktop with "Shell" background when i select plasma wayland
Created attachment 12700 [details] ls -Rla /home/jhondoe (In reply to Aurelien Oudelet from comment #15) > There something wrong on this system and in the user directory. It seems > there is some bad permissions issues, like not writable folder for the user > or owned by root instead of him. Normally, such behavior: an empty session > should give you a default desktop without any glitches. > Weird i don't see root owning something in the list attached and user folder look with the same rights as the working one drwxr-x--- 17 jhondoe jhondoe 4096 may 2 21:00 jhondoe/ drwxr-x--- 32 katnatek katnatek 4096 may 2 21:36 katnatek/ > As we can see what's wrong, I propose to reinstall Plasma: > as root: > I did part from this idea and installed the related task file with yet failing to start session in the new user LC_ALL=C urpmi task-plasma5-minimal --allow-recommends To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed: Package Version Release Arch (medium "Core Release (distrib1)") dragon 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) dragon-handbook 20.12.0 1.mga8 noarch (recommended) elisa 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) elisa-handbook 20.12.0 1.mga8 noarch (recommended) konq-plugins 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) konqueror 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 konqueror-handbook 20.12.0 1.mga8 noarch (recommended) libauparse0 3.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) libkonqsidebarplugin5 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) okular 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 okular-handbook 20.12.0 1.mga8 noarch (recommended) phonon4qt5-vlc 0.11.1 2.mga8 i586 (recommended) readahead 1.5.7 12.mga8 i586 (recommended) task-plasma5-minimal 5.20.4 2.mga8 noarch 43MB of additional disk space will be used. 18MB of packages will be retrieved. Proceed with the installation of the 14 packages? (Y/n) LC_ALL=C urpmi task-plasma5 --allow-recommends In order to satisfy the 'plasma5-irc-client' dependency, one of the following packages is needed: 1- konversation-20.12.0-1.mga8.i586: A user friendly IRC Client for Plasma 5 (to install) 2- quassel-0.13.1-6.mga8.i586: A modern cross-platform distributed (monolithic) IRC client (to install) What is your choice? (1-2) 2 To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed: Package Version Release Arch (medium "Core Release (distrib1)") inxi-quassel 3.2.01 1.mga8 noarch (recommended) kdeconnect-kde 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) kdeconnect-kde-handbook 20.12.0 1.mga8 noarch (recommended) kmag 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) kmag-handbook 20.12.0 1.mga8 noarch (recommended) kmousetool 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) kmousetool-handbook 20.12.0 1.mga8 noarch (recommended) kmouth 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) kmouth-handbook 20.12.0 1.mga8 noarch (recommended) kpeoplevcard 0.1 3.mga8 i586 (recommended) kruler 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) kruler-handbook 20.12.0 1.mga8 noarch (recommended) libfakekey0 0.1 12.mga8 i586 (recommended) libkdeconnectcore20 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) libkdeconnectinterfaces20 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) libkdeconnectpluginkcm20 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) libkf5pulseaudioqt_2 1.2 3.mga8 i586 (recommended) quassel 0.13.1 6.mga8 i586 (recommended) quassel-common 0.13.1 6.mga8 noarch (recommended) svgpart 20.12.0 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) task-plasma5 5.20.4 2.mga8 noarch (medium "Core Updates (distrib3)") libpq5 13.2 1.mga8 i586 (recommended) libqt5-database-plugin-pgsql 5.15.2 4.2.mga8 i586 (recommended) 20MB of additional disk space will be used. 7.4MB of packages will be retrieved. Proceed with the installation of the 23 packages? (Y/n) > Default Plasma rpm on x86_64 (possible duplicates as I grepped them on my > system) > List of packages missing the marked with * i already installed From first list plasma-applet-nm-5.20.4-1.mga8 plasma-browser-integration-5.20.4-1.mga8 *plasma-disks-5.20.4-1.mga8 From second list kdebugsettings-20.12.0-1.mga8 the equivalent to lib64kdebugsettings5-20.12.0-1.mga8 * xdg-desktop-portal-kde-5.20.4-2.mga8 From the third list equivalent to lib64kf5mediaplayer5-5.76.0-1.mga8 lib64kf5modemmanagerqt6-5.76.0-1.mga8 lib64kf5plotting5-5.76.0-1.mga8 I start to doubt is related to missing packages, i try with other desktop before to make a backup and do a new install
(In reply to Lewis Smith from comment #16) > Are you willing to install an additional lightweight desktop (say LxQt) to > test whether your problem is related to Plasma specifically? > Beware; if you do, you will not be able to remove it - that is not > recommended. So do not add another desktop unless you can live with it: > which does not mean you need to use it. Installed xfce and jhondoe can start session without issues, now i have to investigate how make the desktop fits well in the external monitor as long as i can't use the integrated screen of this laptop (it is broken)
Good News i make the Plasma Wayland session works Playing with the change of task (Ctrl+tab) i notice mageia welcome is running but not in the empty area Open a console, run systemsettings5 , disable the integrated screen and voila! have a working desktop for the "new" user
(In reply to katnatek from comment #20) > (In reply to Lewis Smith from comment #16) > > Are you willing to install an additional lightweight desktop (say LxQt) to > > test whether your problem is related to Plasma specifically? > > Beware; if you do, you will not be able to remove it - that is not > > recommended. So do not add another desktop unless you can live with it: > > which does not mean you need to use it. > > Installed xfce and jhondoe can start session without issues, now i have to > investigate how make the desktop fits well in the external monitor as long > as i can't use the integrated screen of this laptop (it is broken) Sorry, you did not mention that *before*. A broken integrated screen and a second screen attached... The default setup for Plasma is to choose the integrated screen on mobile device to be set as primary screen and to put a black wallpaper not a shutdown screen on the secondary. Sometimes it gets the default Plasma version of wallpaper. This is not hardcoded. This should be reported upstream. But "super" you have a working desktop now. The reported bug should be: don't set a black background on non primary screen to not confuse user.
Status: NEEDINFO => UPSTREAM
Assignee: bugsquad => kdeSource RPM: drakconf-13.27-1.mga8.src.rpm => (none)
(In reply to Aurelien Oudelet from comment #22) > Sorry, you did not mention that *before*. A broken integrated screen and a > second screen attached... The default setup for Plasma is to choose the > integrated screen on mobile device to be set as primary screen and to put a > black wallpaper not a shutdown screen on the secondary. Sometimes it gets > the default Plasma version of wallpaper. This is not hardcoded. > Just until my last test i start to think is related, sorry to not mention since begining > This should be reported upstream. But "super" you have a working desktop now. > The reported bug should be: don't set a black background on non primary > screen to not confuse user. Sorry i will not make that.
Status: UPSTREAM => RESOLVEDResolution: (none) => WORKSFORME
Many thanks to all
Just to give a workaround different to install plasma-wayland In the user that can start standard plasma session su - other_user systemsettings5 Hardware -> Display and monitor In the "Device" list select the "Laptop Screen" Check Enabled In the Device list select the external monitor In the list "Replica of" select "Laptop Screen" Click on "Apply" Close session Be sure the session selected is "Plasma" Start session with the "other_user" Now you can interact with the desktop and set the screen for the "other_user"