Morgan, I do not understand this bug, which looks like a request for a new package, but we already provide it! Please excuse the closure: the other bug suffices.

Status: NEW => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => INVALID

My fault not expressing myself...

I meant task-printing shuold suggest to install it...

Summary: Suggest boomaga: print previewer that support manual duplexing and more => task-printing should suggest boomaga: print previewer that support manual duplexing and more
Status: RESOLVED => REOPENED
Resolution: INVALID => (none)

This is possible - a 'suggests'; but it opens the floodgates for other handy packages. The preview aspect (at least, if not others) of 'boomaga' is surely anyway included as a standard part of print dialogues.

In a similar, but more important, vein, 'cups-pdf' is something you have to know about & specifically install. I am always surprised that task-printing is not automatically installed - until specifically needed or installed. The beauty of task-printing + cups-pdf is that you DO NOT NEED A PRINTER, and every system has the built-in ability to create a PDF output file - even from programs which cannot do that natively - which is ready-made for copying & printing somewhere else.

This seems to me more a subject for debate in the dev mailList. Can you do that?
Assigning the bug globally for comments.

Source RPM: task-printing => task-printing-scanning-2018-5.mga7.src.rpm
Severity: normal => enhancement
CC: (none) => lewyssmith
Assignee: bugsquad => pkg-bugs
Summary: task-printing should suggest boomaga: print previewer that support manual duplexing and more => task-printing should suggest boomaga and cups-pdf

That seem to be the right thing to do.
I issued this bug after a suggestion on qa list.

Now forwarded that thread with comment and link to this bug to dev mailing list.
"[qa-discuss] [dev] Fwd: Re: Duplex printing"

Yes preview functionality we have already in the printing process from most programs, but i think most users could be interested in a utility easing double sided printing.

( Sidenote re cups-pdf: I somehow have got two pdf printers installed so there is at least one more way to get pdf printing. )

I used cups-pdf for years, mostly when I wanted a digital copy of forms that didn't allow you to "save" the filled-in form. It worked, though it was a bit cumbersome in that it wasn't easy to change the output file name or intended location for each file.

But the last few years, in Plasma at least, there has been a "print to file" option in the print dialog, even if there are no printers installed. It doesn't seem to depend on cups, either. As explained in Bug 24189, even when the cups service doesn't start properly the "print to file" option is still there. I just checked a printer-less Plasma install on another machine, and it too has the "print to file" option in all print dialogs.

Because "print to file" does allow easier changing of file name and destination, I now use that on my production install instead of cups-pdf. I have not checked other DE's, but if the "print to file" option is available on them as it is in Plasma, I question whether cups-pdf is even needed any more.

Boomaga is a different story. There is DEFINITELY a need for that utility.

CC: (none) => andrewsfarm

(In reply to Thomas Andrews from comment #6)
> But the last few years, in Plasma at least, there has been a "print to file"
> option in the print dialog, even if there are no printers installed. It
> doesn't seem to depend on cups, either. As explained in Bug 24189, even when
> the cups service doesn't start properly the "print to file" option is still
> there.
Well spotted, TJ. You learn something new every day... I checked this out on my system, which has a printer installed, but *not* cups-pdf. Under Mate, every application I tried Ctrl/P with popped a dialogue with the real printer and the 'to file' option. I had always thought this was a Firefox special - it has its own PS|PDF choice. In one case (Marble) the dialogue was different, but the 'to file' option was still there.

How is this option implemented? BTAIM, it seems to make 'cups-pdf' redundant; although I may install cups-pdf and try a few comparative file prints to look for any difference. Removing it from the bug title.

> I just checked a printer-less Plasma install on another machine, and
> it too has the "print to file" option in all print dialogs.
Can you confirm that 'task-printing' is *not* present?

> Boomaga is a different story. There is DEFINITELY a need for that utility.
So it remains a possible 'suggestion' for task-printing, although I had never before heard of it.

Summary: task-printing should suggest boomaga and cups-pdf => task-printing should suggest boomaga

Checking on my laptop Plasma system, after reading my morning newspaper with it...

No printers installed on this system, yet "print to file" is here. None of the task-printing packages are installed. But, system-config-printer IS installed, as are several cups-related packages, including cups itself. Presumably these were added close to a year ago at install time as dependencies for other applications. Without knowing anything, I'd say the "to file" option comes from there. 

I checked a 32-bit Xfce install on the same laptop, and it too has no printers installed but has the "to file" option where printing is offered. However, task-printing IS installed. But, as this install was upgraded from a Mageia 6 install that was used for testing updates, it could have almost anything on it.

(In reply to Lewis Smith from comment #7)
> How is this option implemented? BTAIM, it seems to make 'cups-pdf'
> redundant;

cups-pdf is at least useful to share a network PDF printer, including for Windows clients.

> > Boomaga is a different story. There is DEFINITELY a need for that utility.
> So it remains a possible 'suggestion' for task-printing, although I had
> never before heard of it.

Well, only for it's feature of scale printing over several pages it reminds me of KDE1 days, when it was an option of kprinter. So yes, it would be good to suggest it.

CC: (none) => lists.jjorge

If print to pdf is possible from all major DE there is no need for cups-pdf.
What are "major DE"? Plasma, Gnome, xfce MATE, cinnamon ?

IMO sharing network printer is less common use than printing to pdf.

Yes, scaled printing over several pages is yet a wonderful feature to have! :)

(In reply to José Jorge from comment #9)
> > > Boomaga is a different story. There is DEFINITELY a need for that utility.
> > So it remains a possible 'suggestion' for task-printing, although I had
> > never before heard of it.
> Well, only for it's feature of scale printing over several pages it reminds
> me of KDE1 days, when it was an option of kprinter.
I *love* that reference to KDE[1], which I - and not alone - regard as the best ever (excusing buggy applications). It was, of course, just called KDE.

(In reply to Morgan Leijström from comment #10)
> What are "major DE"? Plasma, Gnome, xfce MATE, cinnamon ?
Well, those 5 + LXDE (to become LxQt, I think).

Ping for discussion -> decision.