Bug 17929 - Desktop choices allow KDE instead of Plasma
Summary: Desktop choices allow KDE instead of Plasma
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Mageia
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Installer (show other bugs)
Version: Cauldron
Hardware: All Linux
Priority: Normal normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Thierry Vignaud
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Blocks: 17523
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Reported: 2016-03-09 19:59 CET by Dick Gevers
Modified: 2016-05-22 14:55 CEST (History)
3 users (show)

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Source RPM: drakx-installer-stage2
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Description Dick Gevers 2016-03-09 19:59:14 CET
Description of problem:

When arriving at chapter desktop selection it offers "KDE", "Gnome" and "Custom", but the first one should be called Plasma now.

[ When going into "custom" the Plasma is already selected by default and KDE is not available. ]
Dick Gevers 2016-03-09 19:59:28 CET

Keywords: (none) => 6dev1

Comment 1 Marja Van Waes 2016-03-09 20:54:01 CET
That was about classical iso of 07 March 2016

CC: (none) => marja11
Assignee: bugsquad => thierry.vignaud
Source RPM: classical iso of 07 March 2016 => drakx-installer-stage2

Rémi Verschelde 2016-03-11 09:39:07 CET

CC: (none) => mageia
Blocks: (none) => 17523

Comment 2 Barry Jackson 2016-03-13 11:55:41 CET
Not so sure about this.
Surely "Plasma" is just the current flavour of KDE and anyone looking for KDE who has never even heard of "Plasma" will be confused or even think KDE is not an option.
I would say it should be left as it is or maybe changed to "KDE Plasma 5".

CC: (none) => zen25000

Comment 3 Dick Gevers 2016-03-13 12:25:00 CET
Okay, my 2 cents: make it "Plasma (successor to KDE)"
Comment 4 Barry Jackson 2016-03-13 13:47:31 CET
But KDE still exists as a project, it has not been disbanded in favour of a project called Plasma has it?

That would be like saying that Jesse is the successor to Debian - it's still Debian - just this month/year's flavour.
Comment 5 Dick Gevers 2016-03-13 14:18:44 CET
If you say so. But Mageia is not having KDE anymore. So in that case I would say "Plasma (replacing KDE)"
Comment 6 Marek Laane 2016-03-13 16:44:37 CET
Essentially no; KDE now exists only as "community", not as "project", at least they themselves say so See https://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/: "KDE is an international team co-operating on development and distribution of Free, Open Source Software for desktop and portable computing" and "This includes Plasma Desktop, KDE's innovative desktop interface"
Comment 7 Dick Gevers 2016-03-13 16:51:18 CET
It does't matter really: a previous or unfamiliar user looks for "KDE" and does not find it. 
If he chooses KDE he should not get Plasma without warning, especially if he goes to custom and can select all the names there, but none shows 'KDE": he may want to go away disgruntled !
Comment 8 Barry Jackson 2016-03-13 18:33:36 CET
I still vote for 'KDE Plasma' or 'KDE Plasma 5'

See:
https://www.kde.org/workspaces/
'KDE' is still the main branding and 'Plasma' is used in reference to Widgets and Workspaces.
Comment 9 David GEIGER 2016-03-13 18:47:27 CET
Or simply KF5  (KDE Frameworks 5).

CC: (none) => geiger.david68210

Comment 10 Barry Jackson 2016-03-13 19:00:10 CET
Yes, but who has heard of that in the real world - I had to Google it a few weeks ago as I was getting confused between Plasma and kf5 :\

They should have called it KDE5, but they didn't.
Comment 11 Nicolas Lécureuil 2016-03-13 20:16:04 CET
(In reply to David GEIGER from comment #9)
> Or simply KF5  (KDE Frameworks 5).

KF5 are libraries not a DE.
Comment 12 Nicolas Lécureuil 2016-03-13 20:22:37 CET
(In reply to Barry Jackson from comment #10)
> Yes, but who has heard of that in the real world - I had to Google it a few
> weeks ago as I was getting confused between Plasma and kf5 :\
> 
> They should have called it KDE5, but they didn't.

Users don't have to know about KF5 ( how many know about Qt ? ;) ).

The DE is Plasma this is a saner as KDE is more the DE + all the applications.
Comment 13 Barry Jackson 2016-03-13 23:15:35 CET
(In reply to Nicolas Lécureuil from comment #12)
> (In reply to Barry Jackson from comment #10)
> > Yes, but who has heard of that in the real world - I had to Google it a few
> > weeks ago as I was getting confused between Plasma and kf5 :\
> > 
> > They should have called it KDE5, but they didn't.
> 
> Users don't have to know about KF5 ( how many know about Qt ? ;) ).
> 
> The DE is Plasma this is a saner as KDE is more the DE + all the
> applications.

I agree, but to make it clear to new (and existing) users who may have heard of KDE but not Plasma, I think the option title should be 'KDE Plasma'.

Anyhow I'm out of here as I keep repeating myself.

Barry
Barry Jackson 2016-03-13 23:18:30 CET

CC: zen25000 => (none)

Comment 14 Dick Gevers 2016-05-22 14:55:20 CEST
Fixed with/before current 6sta1

Status: NEW => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => FIXED


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