Bug 15732 - Classic installer does not offer keyboard layout for some languages until summary screen
Summary: Classic installer does not offer keyboard layout for some languages until sum...
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: Mageia
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Installer (show other bugs)
Version: Cauldron
Hardware: All Linux
Priority: High normal
Target Milestone: Mageia 7
Assignee: Mageia tools maintainers
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Reported: 2015-04-18 21:51 CEST by Marja Van Waes
Modified: 2016-12-17 23:20 CET (History)
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Source RPM: drakx-kbd-mouse-x11
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Description Marja Van Waes 2015-04-18 21:51:11 CEST
+++ This bug was initially created as a clone of Bug #12348 +++

cloning, because that report already has 50 comments

(Also, that one was originally only about this issue for Turkish installs, and for Turkish it got fixed.)

After Mageia 6 release, we'll probably need many more comments, figuring out for which languages the keyboard layout choice should remain hidden until the summary.

Even for languages that can only be typed with a keyboard for that specific language, we have to make sure there is no dvorak or other alternate layout nowadays. We should maybe ask our translators.
Comment 1 Marja Van Waes 2015-04-18 21:55:59 CEST
And, as a reminder for those getting this bug:

http://doc.mageia.org/installer/4/en/content/selectLanguage.html
"If your keyboard language is not the same as your preferred language, then it is advisable to install the language of your keyboard as well."

Installing the language your keyboard was meant for, will in that case make the Keyboard choice screen appear.
Samuel Verschelde 2015-06-06 01:39:05 CEST

Target Milestone: --- => Mageia 6

Comment 2 Marja Van Waes 2015-08-22 11:44:07 CEST
Just making the first keyboard choice screen visible is easy. However, I got trapped:

* I still do not know for which languages that should *not* be done except

** Funda Wang did not want the screen to appear for zh_CN in Mandriva times
** Yuri Chornoivan seems to think it shouldn't appear for Ukrainian
*** However, /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ua has more than one keyboard for
    Ukrainian

* Also, when it does appear for a language, it would be nice to have all 
  possible keyboards for that language selectable.
  There seem to be many more keyboards nowadays than drakx-kbd-mouse-x11 knows
  about (including even Dutch "ij/IJ" and Breton "c'h/C'H" ones). I know way 
  too little and haven't managed to find the needed information to fix that.

I do no longer have time to continue my bad Google searches and read mostly unhelpful information

@ Pablo

If you read this: Can you please direct me to the information I should know? You can safely assume that I don't know anything, yet

CC: (none) => pablo

Comment 3 Marja Van Waes 2015-09-23 11:09:20 CEST
@ Florian

Do you ever see complaints from users in the forums, about the first keyboard choice screen being skipped during install?


Given the fact that at least for simplified Chinese and Ukrainian our most important contributors do not want the first keyboard choice screen to appear and 
given the fact that being asked to choose a keyboard can be very confusing (see https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Simplified_installation#Detailed_Description )
I suggest to not offer the first keyboard choice screen for all languages, not even if, like for Ukrainian, three keyboards are available:

I think we should only add this first screen for languages about which we receive a complaint about the missing screen.

CC: (none) => doktor5000

Comment 4 Marja Van Waes 2015-09-23 15:47:29 CEST
(In reply to Marja van Waes from comment #2)

> 
> I do no longer have time to continue my bad Google searches and read mostly
> unhelpful information
> 

I'll refrain from Google searches :-þ

However, I am collecting other useful information on this page:
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/DrakX_and_keyboards

feel free to improve it :-)
Comment 5 Florian Hubold 2015-09-24 02:03:53 CEST
(In reply to Marja van Waes from comment #3)
> @ Florian
> 
> Do you ever see complaints from users in the forums, about the first
> keyboard choice screen being skipped during install?

Nope. Only about the fact if you select one from the "More" section that it will not be shown. I think that is already known but I could not find an open bug for it. It's not obvious to users that their chosen selection is not reflected in the dialog, but will still be chosen and working.

Basically you have only two major choices IMHO: 
1. select one of the offered US keyboard models
2. select a custom keyboard layout - from the "More" list (this is probably what most people will use)
Comment 6 Marja Van Waes 2015-09-24 19:47:38 CEST
(In reply to Florian Hubold from comment #5)
> (In reply to Marja van Waes from comment #3)
> > @ Florian
> > 
> > Do you ever see complaints from users in the forums, about the first
> > keyboard choice screen being skipped during install?
> 
> Nope. Only about the fact if you select one from the "More" section that it
> will not be shown. I think that is already known but I could not find an
> open bug for it. 

It took me a while to find it, too. It's bug 1042

> It's not obvious to users that their chosen selection is
> not reflected in the dialog, but will still be chosen and working.

Indeed. The help informs them correctly, though
> 
> Basically you have only two major choices IMHO: 
> 1. select one of the offered US keyboard models

s/US//  ;-)
the offered keyboard layouts are the ones for the selected language(s), see e.g.: 
http://docteam.mageia.nl/de/installer/content/images/dx2-selectKeyboard.png

> 2. select a custom keyboard layout - from the "More" list (this is probably
> what most people will use)

I'm commenting in bug 1042
Comment 7 Samuel Verschelde 2016-10-10 22:04:03 CEST
Mageia Tools maintainer group and marja: marja did try to solve this bug in the past and can surely give useful information to anybody willing to fix this bug in the installer. Either that or we need to change the Milestone to a later version of Mageia.

Assignee: marja11 => mageiatools

Samuel Verschelde 2016-10-10 22:04:13 CEST

Priority: Normal => High

Comment 8 Marja Van Waes 2016-12-17 23:20:15 CET
@ Stormi

The problem is not that it is hard to make that screen visible for all languages. The problem is, that I learnt that for some languages important contributors who have that language as mother tongue (like Funda for Chinese or Yurchor for Ukrainian), don't want the "select keyboard" screen to appear at the beginning of install.

Without that knowledge, I would have made it visible for all languages.

I cannot guess or decide for which languages it would be better to see that screen, and for which languages it's better to keep hiding it, so I'm just waiting for feedback from contributors or users who are not happy with it being skipped.

Target Milestone: Mageia 6 => Mageia 7


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