Come to think of it, most likely classical installer works okay with nouveau driver, but Live disks don't .

When doing full install I need to not choose intel - always have 2 options in xorg setup - and then it goes well. I can predict same will apply to 64 bit, but these need to be tested by me yet.

Almost the same story when trying to go the route Install from boot menu when satrting up the Live CD (GNOME):

Screen goes almost completely black (some graphical anomalies seen is all), change to tty. kill X gives me a Mageia blue desktop, but LiveCD is ejected at the same time.  No tty available anymore, no way to restart the install as far as I know.

Upon change to tty as per request MrsB:

lsmod |grep -e nou -e nv -e nv -e intel -e i9

i915		630512		4
nouveau		8772609		1
nvram		 13986		0
ttm		71764		1	nouveau
drm_kms_helper		...	2	i915,nouveau
drm				8	ttm,i915,drm_kms_helper,nouveau
i2c_algo_bit			2	i915,nouveau
mxm_wmi				1	nouveau
wmi				2	mxm_wmi,nouveau
i2c_core			6	drm,i915,i2c_i801,drm_kms_helper,i2c_algo_bit,nouveau
button				2	i915,nouveau
video				2	i915,nouveau

why did you clone bug 11310 if you have "same" hardware ?
update of it is enough

Dear Manuel,

That was MrsB's suggestion: we were both on irc when it happened and not sure it was the same. But if you are it is, feel free to close.

Created attachment 4466 [details]
result of "journalctl -a --no-pager > journal.txt"

Created attachment 4467 [details]
Xorg.0.log

Dick, can you try adding the kernel parameter xdriver=vesa
(note that due to bug 5263 you'll have to press f6, esc,
up arrow, then f6 again, to edit the kernel parameters).

CC: (none) => davidwhodgins

Thanks. Works to a certain extent. Graphics are poor, lost of graphical anomalies when in live mode.

Summary: Cannot start a live session GNOME/KDE4 with M4B1 LiveCDs (intel/nvidia) => Cannot start a live session GNOME/KDE4 with M4B1 LiveCDs/DVDs (intel/nvidia)

other options to test:

try to boot with intel:
rd.blacklist=nouveau xdriver=intel

try to boot with nouveau:
rd.blacklist=i915 xdriver=nouveau

Kernel paramater ' rd.blacklist=nouveau xdriver=intel ' works okay to get to live, but only if I go to tty and kill X at the point where I need to choose language and accept licence, otherwise I do not get these screens to complete.

Please note this problem does not occur with the classical installer isos !

Hardware: i586 => All

Thats because traditional installer isos runs in vesa/framebuffer mode 
and does not have any on nvidia/intel drivers active during install

I think I hit the same bug with last night's isos, intel 810 and later video card. (don't have nvidia on that system), Live KDE DVD 32bits

Booting safe mode works fine, installing from "safe mode Live" works fine, too.

Booting normal mode gives a hard freeze, choosing to install from the boot menu gives a hard freeze, too.

There are no problems with traditional installer.

CC: (none) => marja11

btw, I see two identical intel 810 and later video cards with lspcidrake -v, the only difference is the one has "DISPLAY_VGA", the other "DISPLAY_OTHER"

Same hw, same workaround for beta2: Gnome Live DVD (64 bit) not working:

with kernel parameter rd.blacklist=nouveau xdriver=intel I cannot get to live mode. If I go to tty2 and kill X, the process stops and ejects the disk.

So this makes it worse then the latest rounds of beta1

Whiteboard: 4beta1 => 4beta2

On the other hand, for the KDE LiveDVD (64 bits) the same kernel parameter and once killing X does give me a Live session.

(In reply to Marja van Waes from comment #14)
> I think I hit the same bug with last night's isos, intel 810 and later video
> card. (don't have nvidia on that system), Live KDE DVD 32bits
> 
> Booting safe mode works fine, installing from "safe mode Live" works fine,
> too.


Same as for dvg: safe mode doesn't work for me any more in the first round of 4RC isos, either (I didn't try the beta2's)

> 
> Booting normal mode gives a hard freeze, choosing to install from the boot
> menu gives a hard freeze, too.
> 
> There are no problems with traditional installer.


@ tmb

Should I clone this report for my same problem on two laptops without nvidia, but with just intel ?

(for the one)
[marja@localhost ~]$ lspcidrake -v | grep Graphics
unknown         : Intel Corporation|Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [DISPLAY_OTHER] (vendor:8086 device:2a43 subv:17aa subd:213a) (rev: 07)
Card:Intel 810 and later: Intel Corporation|Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [DISPLAY_VGA] (vendor:8086 device:2a42 subv:17aa subd:213a) (rev: 07)
[marja@localhost ~]$

and for the other only one "Graphics" entry, I'll post it in my next comment

the other is (from a working Mga3 Live session):

[live@localhost ~]$ lspcidrake -v | grep Graphics
Card:Intel 810 and later: Intel Corporation|3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [DISPLAY_VGA] (vendor:8086 device:0166 subv:17aa subd:21f7) (rev: 09)
[live@localhost ~]$

The only laptop where starting Live (4RC) does work, but /only/ when using safe mode, has:

[user@DenkBlok ~]$ lspcidrake -v | grep Graphic
Card:Intel 810 and later: Intel Corporation|82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device [DISPLAY_OTHER] (vendor:8086 device:3582 subv:1014 subd:0562) (rev: 02)
Card:Intel 810 and later: Intel Corporation|82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device [DISPLAY_VGA] (vendor:8086 device:3582 subv:1014 subd:0562) (rev: 02)
[user@DenkBlok ~]$

(In reply to Marja van Waes from comment #19)
> the other is (from a working Mga3 Live session):
> 
> [live@localhost ~]$ lspcidrake -v | grep Graphics
> Card:Intel 810 and later: Intel Corporation|3rd Gen Core processor Graphics
> Controller [DISPLAY_VGA] (vendor:8086 device:0166 subv:17aa subd:21f7) (rev:
> 09)
> [live@localhost ~]$

The above output is from Mageia 3 live on the newest laptop (ThinkPad L530).

The Mageia-4-RC-LiveDVD-KDE4-x86_64-DVD.iso from the 2nd round failed, 
re-tried the 32bits Mageia-4-RC-LiveDVD-KDE4-i586-DVD.iso (2nd round), safe mode: after hanging 10 minutes at "Checking for new hardsware   [OK]"
ctl+alt+BS2x doesn't help, rebooted (ctrl+alt+del does work)

retried (still the 32bits iso) with option 
acpi_osi="!Windows 2012"

that didn't work either. Should I have removed something before adding that?

then, same 32 bits iso, also tried with
rd.blacklist=i810 xdriver=vesa

which didn't work, and with
 
rd.blacklist=intel xdriver=vesa

which didn't work either.

but maybe blacklisting "intel 810 and later" is done in a different way?

Same again for me: GNOME LiveDVD 64 bits on nvidia/sandy bridge with kernel para. <rd.blacklist=nouveau xdriver=intel> and/or [ Ctrl + Alt + 2x BS ] does not give language/licence gui. Laptop needed hard reset.

Summary: Cannot start a live session GNOME/KDE4 with M4B2 LiveCDs/DVDs (intel/nvidia) => Cannot start a live session GNOME/KDE4 with M4RC LiveCDs/DVDs (intel/nvidia)

As discussed at #mageia-bugsquad changing to release blocker

Blocks: (none) => 11704

*3rd* round of isos, sorry, but nothing changed: 

Mageia-4-RC-LiveDVD-KDE4-x86_64-DVD.iso on the new laptop (ThinkPad L530)

Still: Normal boot, safe boot, and boot with 'acpi_osi="!Windows 2012"' end at 
"Checking for new hardware         [OK]


Mageia-4-RC-LiveDVD-KDE4-i586-DVD.iso on the oldes laptop (ThinkPad R50e):

Still: Normal boot ends in a light black screen, safe boot leads to a working Live session

Safe boot with nvidia/sandy bridge: same result as #c24.

No known workarounds working with Gnome LiveDVD 64 bits for my hw.

And same for KDE LiveDVD 64 bits.


Sorry for confision: there is a mistake in #c2:
"need to not choose Intel" should read "need to choose Intel"

Can you tru to boot into runlevel 3 by adding:

systemd.unit=multi-user.target

to kernel command line

then check what modules are loaded with lsmod

also try to remove "splash silent"

ok, so looking at video done by marja:

we get into a loop of "checking new hardware" & "starting netprofile"
they were printed 4 times each before video ended... 


And to be able to test some more:
I also now have uploaded 2 test isos available for iso QA:

Mageia-4-RC-free-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD
- this one has no nonfree drivers or firmwares

Mageia-4-RC-test-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD
- this one does not run the service_harddrake that the boot hangs on,
  so I dont know how far it will boot

CC: sysadmin-bugs => mageia, thierry.vignaud

(In reply to Thomas Backlund from comment #c27 and #c28)

adding "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" and removing "splash silent":

Sorry but I cannot in any way I know get to any tty with [ alt + ctl + Fx ] nor with [ alt + ctrl + 2x BS ]

next I will try the isos from #c29.

To c#30

Mageia-4-RC-free-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD without any addition / deletion of kernel parameters:

The only tty I get is tty3 showing * PCMCIA: probing pci bus *  not found, etcetera

More results later...

Continued from c#31
No workaround of adding / deleting kernel parameters gives me a language/licence gui, nor any tty (except for tty3 showing: see c#31)

But the Mageia-4-RC-test-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD gives me a Live mode without any workaround, without problem getting there. 

I wrote an 'lsmod' command result and will attach it later.

Am able to start 'install' from desktop: will report as far as needed.

(In reply to Thomas Backlund from comment #29)
> ok, so looking at video done by marja:
> 
> we get into a loop of "checking new hardware" & "starting netprofile"
> they were printed 4 times each before video ended... 
> 

OOPS, I wasn't aware I had never mentioned that those messages recurred.

Another recurring, earlier message (but it also recurred on the laptop where the 3rd round Live does work well in safe mode) was about sound.... it is still there after install from the safe booted Live (3rd round), when booting into the just installed system: "Reached target sound card" at least 7 times. Sound does work.

> 
> And to be able to test some more:
> I also now have uploaded 2 test isos available for iso QA:
> 

Thanks, Thomas! I'll test asap

(In reply to Marja van Waes from comment #33)
> "Reached target sound card" at least
> 7 times. Sound does work.

I'm not sure the "R" is the only capital in that line.

(In reply to Marja van Waes from comment #34)
> (In reply to Marja van Waes from comment #33)
> > "Reached target sound card" at least
> > 7 times. Sound does work.
> 
> I'm not sure the "R" is the only capital in that line.

Should be "Reached target Sound Card"

Created attachment 4715 [details]
'lsmod' result from 2 different boots

Install in progress from desktop with Mageia-4-RC-test-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD

Best working Live iso since beta2 or earlier for my hardware.

For further reference see foot of http://bn.parinux.org/p/mageia4rc

See pad

* Mageia-4-RC-test-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD.iso 
_+_ solves the problems for the ThinkPad L530 ... boots nicely into a Live session
_-_ but makes things worse for the ThinkPad R50e, for which 
    safe mode doesn't give a working Live session any more

* Mageia-4-RC-free-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD
_-_ didn't work for the ThinkPad L530 at all,
    for the ThinkPad R50e safe mode leads to a working session, as before, but,
_+_ very nice: this iso boots from USB on the R50e every time I try it, instead
    of only one out of ± 10 times like the other Mga4 Live isos I tried 
    (a Mga4 dual booted well, too)

Ok,

so one new test-iso added...

Mageia-4-RC-noddh-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD

This one has everything a normal livecd has, so it will run service_harddrake, but I have removed the display_driver_helper to see if it helps or not

(In reply to Thomas Backlund from comment #39)
> Ok,
> 
> so one new test-iso added...
> 
> Mageia-4-RC-noddh-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD
> 
> This one has everything a normal livecd has, so it will run
> service_harddrake, but I have removed the display_driver_helper to see if it
> helps or not

Doesn't work for the ThinkPad L530 (I only tried normal and safe mode, didn't try adding any kernel options.

Safe mode works again for the R50e :-), however: normal mode doesn't.

I'll try to film the output of normal mode when using "splash quiet", there were some more "failed" messages than usually.

Maybe the issue about USB keys that won't boot or take ages to get to the bootloader screen on that laptop is related to the size of the keys instead of to anything else... I just compared the "noddh" iso on a 2 GB and on a 8GB USB-key, 2GB works fine, 8GB doesn't

Created attachment 4718 [details]
R50e last messages when booting normally (noddh iso)

(In reply to Marja van Waes from comment #40)
> (In reply to Thomas Backlund from comment #39)
> > Ok,
> > 
> > so one new test-iso added...
> > 
> > Mageia-4-RC-noddh-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD

> 
> Safe mode works again for the R50e :-), however: normal mode doesn't.
> 
> I'll try to film the output of normal mode when using "splash quiet", there
> were some more "failed" messages than usually.
> 

The additional "[FAILED]" messages for the R50e are:
Failed to start LSB: VirtualBox Additions Service.
Failed to start Configure CPU power related settings
Failed to start LSB: Ati Events Daemon

the attached screenshot is with the last messages before the screen turned light black and every thing was frozen.

I can upload a video of all messages if needed

@ tmb
Should this bug be cloned because it is about at least two different issues, or isn't that a problem atm?

Mageia-4-RC-noddh-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD on ThinkPad SL510:

Same as with the L530, it doesn't work, neither in normal, nor in safe mode.

I now remembered to look at tty4, there were recurring messages there, too:

PCMCIA: probing PCI bus
 not found
PCMCIA: probing PCIC (ISA)
 not found
PCMCIA: probing Databook TCIC-2 (ISA)
 not found

In normal mode, those messages recurred 4 times. I may have made a typo here or there, while copying them.

(In reply to Marja van Waes from comment #42)
> Mageia-4-RC-noddh-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD on ThinkPad SL510:
> 
> Same as with the L530, it doesn't work, neither in normal, nor in safe mode.
> 

And also same as for the L530, the Mageia-4-RC-test-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD.iso works fine on the SL510

Mageia-4-RC-LiveDVD-KDE4-x86_64-DVD.iso round 5

On TP L530
tried all of the following, one after another:

* normal boot: gets stuck at the same "checking new hardware" & "starting netprofile" loop again
* safe boot: halts there, but doesn't seem to loop
* rd.blacklist=intel xdriver=vesa 
* acpi_osi="!Windows 2012"
 
they all got stuck at "checking new hardware" & "starting netprofile" loop again (but safe boot showed that text only once, IIRC)
I was unable to go to a different tty

Mageia-4-RC-LiveDVD-KDE4-x86_64-DVD.iso round 5

On TP SL510

normal boot + safe boot both led to the "checking new hardware" & "starting netprofile" loop
didn't try any options.

switching to another tty was impossible

I had forgotten to mention that, for the L530, I had tried "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" too, without success

Round 5 on nvidia/sandy bridge: none of the workarounds gives me a live session.

This iso now boots to a working desktop on a nVidia/Intel laptop I have here.

please test before I respin all live medias

# cat DATE.txt 
Sat Jan 11 23:20:00 CET 2014

# cat *.md5
1ab6d414e36af9d6beb03de7b1c7b939  Mageia-4-RC-test-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD.iso

# cat *.sha1
3d80a1d5a89208c12397af8a1f4c69654f00bf99  Mageia-4-RC-test-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD.iso

(In reply to Thomas Backlund from comment #47)
> This iso now boots to a working desktop on a nVidia/Intel laptop I have here.
> 
> please test before I respin all live medias
> 
> # cat DATE.txt 
> Sat Jan 11 23:20:00 CET 2014
> 

> Mageia-4-RC-test-LiveCD-KDE4-int-i586-CD.iso

ThinkPads:

L530:
+ Boots into working Live fine from the top boot menu entry, without adding extra parameters
(on second try the plymouth theme appeared and "esc" led to seeing the boot messages, don't know what made this part black the first time)

SL510

+ Perfect, boots into working Live and everything looks normal

R50e
Booting from USB works fine, even if I put the iso on an 8GB stick
- Normal mode leads to the light black screen again - everything is frozen
- Safe mode leads to the same light black screen :-(

  Were one or more parameters added on the other Live isos for safe mode, that
  are missing here? If so, which?

@tmb on #c47

Yes boots fine to Live mode without any workaround !!

round 6 boots to a working live session with out any workaround

Yes. Fixed

Status: NEW => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => FIXED