Bug 7785

Summary: desktop clock timezone clutter
Product: Mageia Reporter: Guillaume Lang <tux>
Component: RPM PackagesAssignee: Mageia Bug Squad <bugsquad>
Status: RESOLVED OLD QA Contact:
Severity: enhancement    
Priority: Normal CC: mageia, marja11
Version: CauldronKeywords: UPSTREAM
Target Milestone: ---   
Hardware: x86_64   
OS: Linux   
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Source RPM: kdeplasma-addons CVE:
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Description Guillaume Lang 2012-10-13 18:35:33 CEST
Description of problem:
The pop-up of the desktop clock shows UTC time in addition to local time. This is likely clutter/puzzling for the overwhelming majority of users.


Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
MGA 3 alpha 1

How reproducible:
Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Install MGA 3 alpha 1, specifying that the system clock is on local time
2. Move the mouse cursor on the default desktop clock
Guillaume Lang 2012-10-13 18:37:00 CEST

Summary: incorrect default timezone for the desktop clock => desktop clock timezone clutter

Comment 1 Marja Van Waes 2012-10-13 19:49:07 CEST
(In reply to comment #0)
> Description of problem:
> The pop-up of the desktop clock shows UTC time in addition to local time. This
> is likely clutter/puzzling for the overwhelming majority of users.
>
 
I'm not sure all DE's have this, but tbh, I think those users who are puzzled will be glad with the feature once they get used to it.

The world is getting "smaller and smaller", more and more people have colleagues or business contacts in other parts of the world. Social media help us keep in touch with friends and relatives who moved to far away countries.

Using UTC times is the least complicated way to make appointments with those in a different time zone. With that in mind having an easy way to see the UTC time is great and something that will be needed more and more in the years to come.

CC: (none) => marja11

Comment 2 Guillaume Lang 2012-10-14 11:48:30 CEST
(In reply to comment #1)
> (In reply to comment #0)
> > Description of problem:
> > The pop-up of the desktop clock shows UTC time in addition to local time. This
> > is likely clutter/puzzling for the overwhelming majority of users.
> >
> 
> I'm not sure all DE's have this,

Sorry, forgot to mention this is with KDE.

> but tbh, I think those users who are puzzled
> will be glad with the feature once they get used to it.
> 
> The world is getting "smaller and smaller", more and more people have
> colleagues or business contacts in other parts of the world. Social media help
> us keep in touch with friends and relatives who moved to far away countries.
> 
> Using UTC times is the least complicated way to make appointments with those in
> a different time zone. With that in mind having an easy way to see the UTC time
> is great and something that will be needed more and more in the years to come.

This certainly sounds good but I think this the wrong solution for such issues. When such appointments are needed, the respective geographical zones play an important role. If the time zones are not very distant and outside Europe/Africa, using a non-intuitive (=far-away) reference point to avoid small-if-not-zero time differences is awkward. If the two time zones are distant, then at least one of the them is far from UTC: UTC is then impractical since one needs anyhow to calculate what's convenient for the remote contact.

To put it another way: It is not the job of the user to use a technical time reference to make a simple appointment. There is far more value in the clock being able to use several time zones corresponding to cities (already implemented in KDE), or in other applications for widgets/helpers taking into account the timezone of the person on the other side.
Comment 3 Marja Van Waes 2012-10-19 19:16:35 CEST
Well, all Mageia teams plan their meetings in UTC times
http://www.mageia.org/en/calendar/ and I really like this feature. Before, I used to set one clock to UTC time and another one to local time, but that caused me to miss appointments because I didn't always look at the right clock.

However, I'll cc the maintainer, in case he can and wants to change this behaviour for Mageia.

CC: (none) => nicolas.lecureuil
Source RPM: (none) => kdeplasma-addons

Manuel Hiebel 2012-10-20 20:10:13 CEST

Keywords: (none) => UPSTREAM

Comment 4 Marja Van Waes 2015-04-14 20:19:20 CEST
No action since over 2 yrs ago and still assigned to Bug Squad

Closing as OLD

Please reopen if this report is still valid for _current_ cauldron and/or fully
updated Mageia 4

Resolution: (none) => OLD
Status: NEW => RESOLVED