Bug 4357

I haven't checked yet, but why would KDE result in gnome-keyring being installed? I don't expect such a dependency.

Because Totem's Mozilla plugin is installed by default.

In rpmsrate:

  5 CAT_VIDEO CAT_GNOME || CAT_KDE totem-mozilla

It was added by goetz 1.5 years ago:

"suggest seahorse for key management (bug #60198)"
http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/gnome-keyring/current/SPECS/gnome-keyring.spec?r1=556308&r2=556309&

https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60198 says "without Seahorse, there's no way to manage your gnome-keyring passwords"

Keywords: (none) => Junior_job
CC: (none) => thierry.vignaud
Summary: Consider moving Suggests: seahorse to task-gnome => [debloat] consider moving Suggests: seahorse to task-gnome

IMO, totem-mozilla should be removed from CAT_KDE. If you add a GNOME dependency in KDE you'll get a load of GNOME stuff.

The installer doesn't use task-gnome (only -minimal), so the suggested change would mean that any default GNOME install wouldn't be able to manage their keyring. Further, I think the suggests is in the right place (gnome-keyring). Putting it in task-gnome-minimal seems wrong.

Please file a new bug to remove totem-mozilla from rpmsrate (or reopen this and reassign). I don't think it is up to me to touch that.

Keywords: Junior_job => (none)
Status: NEW => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => WONTFIX

You're playing with words here, task-gnome can be replaced by task-gnome-minimal in this bug description.
It's the job of all of us to reorient the bugs reports to the right place.

Last but not least, I don't care if this suggests is moved to task-gnome or to  task-gnome-minimal, it's just bloating the installs

As for "the suggests is in the right place (gnome-keyring)" I don't agree since stuff _LINKED_ with libgnome-keyring ends in installing gnome-keyring too which then got seahorse installed too.

For example the very basesystem was previously:
- systemd & initscripts > lib64glib2.0_0 > glib2.0-common > libgio > libgvfs >
libgnome-keyring > gnome-keyring > seahorse > libgpg > gnugpg >
dirmngr
+ gnome-keyring > libgtk > gtk+ > colord > libcolord
+ libgvfs > libavahi > avahi
+ libgio > libfam > libgamin > gamin
+ libgio > libfuse > fuse
+seahore > libldap > openldap

The BASESYSTEM, aka the MINIMAL INSTALL!!!!!

I've fixed that by breaking one of the suggests so it's better.

But still: now, any app using gvfs (thus any gtk+ app) will:
- <foobar> requires libgvfs
- libgvfs requires gvfs
- gvfs suggests gvfs-smb
- gvfs-smb requires libgnome-keyring.so.0
- libgnome-keyring requires gnome-keyring
- gnome-keyring requires seahorse

And then we go back to the above cycle:
gnome-keyring > seahorse > libgpg > gnugpg > dirmngr
              > libgtk > gtk+ > colord > libcolord
+ libgvfs > libavahi > avahi
+ libgio > libfam > libgamin > gamin
+ libgio > libfuse > fuse
+seahore > libldap > openldap

Due to that single suggests, we got seahorse, openldap, avahi, gamin, fuse gnupg, dirmngr.
I don't think one just installing say minimal X11 + only xmms or rhythmbox expects to end having openldap, avahi, ...

We should thus:
1) move the suggest on seahorse higher in the stack, in task-gnome-minimal
2) replace the requires in libgnome-keyring on gnome-keyring by a suggests

Priority: Normal => release_blocker
Status: RESOLVED => REOPENED
Resolution: WONTFIX => (none)
Severity: normal => critical

(In reply to comment #5)
> You're playing with words here, task-gnome can be replaced by

I've removed myself as gnome-keyring maintainer. Reassigning to you.

Status: REOPENED => ASSIGNED
Assignee: olav => thierry.vignaud

Will moving this suggest cause any other problem or regression?

If one want to install a minimal system, he/she will have to install seahorse manually. That should not be a problem.

CC: (none) => yochenhsieh

The issue was discussed on -dev mailing list, and the final decision was to just change the rpmsrate content to avoid bloating kde installation with gnome content.

Status: ASSIGNED => RESOLVED
CC: (none) => guillomovitch
Resolution: (none) => FIXED