Bug 2648

Summary: installing without X chooses kernel-desktop instead of kernel-server
Product: Mageia Reporter: AL13N <alien>
Component: InstallerAssignee: Mageia Bug Squad <bugsquad>
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX QA Contact:
Severity: normal    
Priority: Normal CC: davidwhodgins, marja11, thierry.vignaud, tmb
Version: 1Keywords: NEEDINFO
Target Milestone: ---   
Hardware: All   
OS: Linux   
Whiteboard:
Source RPM: drakx-installer-stage2 CVE:
Status comment:

Description AL13N 2011-09-06 22:11:40 CEST
Description of problem:
If you install without X, deselecting all graphical environments, it gives you an extra window where it asks if you want use X or not. if you don't use X, you still get a desktop kernel.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):


How reproducible:


Steps to Reproduce:
1. install using dual iso, deselect every checkbox
2. in next screen keep X off and urpmi on, then proceed with installation
3. you have desktop-latest kernel installed.

tested in a VM
Comment 1 Manuel Hiebel 2011-09-06 22:42:53 CEST
Yes an ? What should be installed instead?

Source RPM: (none) => drakx-installer-stage2

Comment 2 AL13N 2011-09-06 22:50:43 CEST
heh, yes, forgot to say it should be kernel-server-latest ...
Comment 3 Manuel Hiebel 2011-09-06 23:10:01 CEST
I am not sure that it is the package list who chooce the good kernel but rather the hardware detect.

(or something like that)

CC: (none) => thierry.vignaud
Summary: installing without X chooses desktop kernel => installing without X chooses kernel-desktop instead of kernel-server

Comment 4 AL13N 2011-09-07 01:28:40 CEST
well, likely, but it may be a good idea to have some categories influence those decisions?
Comment 5 Thomas Backlund 2011-09-15 12:51:14 CEST
Well, the installer tries to detect server hw (specific details such as rack, manufacturer, ...), and installs kernel-server then.

It also checks for > 3.8GB RAM on i586 to deploy server kernel.

In all other cases it defaults to -deskop kernel (or -desktop586 when it is needed)

CC: (none) => tmb

Comment 6 Thierry Vignaud 2011-09-15 13:03:00 CEST
modulo dmidecode bugs. eg:

"dmidecode does falsely use bit 7 when decoding the chassis-type"
http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/index.php?33978
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dmidecode/+bug/822432
Comment 7 Thierry Vignaud 2011-10-04 17:49:13 CEST
Anyway I don't see why we should select kernel-server for a VM...

Status: NEW => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => INVALID

Comment 8 AL13N 2011-10-04 20:30:37 CEST
this is not because of VM, this is because kernel-server imho should be selected if you're installing without X. ie: kernel-server will be better suited for machines without X, since imho it has a very high likely hood of being used for servers.

that this is tested in a VM is imho irrelevant, i'm just stating that i tested this in a VM in case this would falsify my testing.

otoh, in my $dayjob, i have alot of clients who virtualise servers.

Status: RESOLVED => REOPENED
Resolution: INVALID => (none)

Comment 9 Dave Hodgins 2011-10-05 05:31:41 CEST
Is PAE enabled for the guest?

Also, installing without X doesn't always mean it will be a server.

I usually install without X, then after reboot, add the repositories, before
installing anything else, so that if updates are available, they will be
installed, instead of installing the version from the dvd, and then updating.

CC: (none) => davidwhodgins

Comment 10 AL13N 2011-10-05 08:38:16 CEST
PAE is enabled
Comment 11 AL13N 2011-10-05 08:44:26 CEST
i guess you have a valid point that it isn't always a server, but if you do this manually...

otoh, would you really be averse to having kernel-server installed? you're likely to install other stuff as well.
Comment 12 Dave Hodgins 2011-10-05 11:00:00 CEST
Actually, because I'm using a 6 year old system, I normally switch
to the server kernel anyway, so I have no problem with that becoming
the default, if X is not installed.

The reason I try to avoid installing from dvd and then updating,
is because my old system is slow.
Comment 13 Marja Van Waes 2011-12-06 15:49:09 CET
Is this bug valid for Mga 2 Alpha 1 ?

Keywords: (none) => NEEDINFO
CC: (none) => marja11

Comment 14 Thierry Vignaud 2011-12-06 17:07:33 CET
Sorry I but I don't buy the "install server flavor if not installing X" logic
On the contrary, some users choose minimal install (thus without X11) in order to install the desktop of their choice later.
Current logic is OK for 99.99% of our users.
The remaining ones that do such manual choices can install kernel-server themselves.

Status: REOPENED => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => WONTFIX

Comment 15 AL13N 2011-12-06 18:42:41 CET
so you think there are 9999 desktop installs using minimal install for each server install i'm doing with this, (atm the count is around 10 installs for only myself personally...)

myeah, sorry, i don't buy your 99.99%

i think users who want to install their own desktop of choice later, install minimal, but still install X when it asks if they want without X completely...

as such i think maybe 10 installs will happen that way, and more likely a few hundreds if when more server installs are being done...

don't you think desktop users will deselect all DE, but still install X?