Bug 23894

Created attachment 10500 [details]
installer logs

for GTK, looks mate-polkit

* chosen mate-polkit-1.20.0-2.mga7.x86_64 for polkit-agent
* selecting mate-polkit-1.20.0-2.mga7.x86_64
* requiring accountsservice,libappindicator3.so.1()(64bit),libgdk-3.so.0()(64bit),libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0()(64bit),libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit) for mate-polkit-1.20.0-2.mga7.x86_64

for QT, pinentry

* requested pinentry-gui recommended by pinentry-1.1.0-3.mga7.x86_64
* chosen pinentry-qt5-1.1.0-3.mga7.x86_64 for pinentry-gui
* selecting pinentry-qt5-1.1.0-3.mga7.x86_64
* requiring libQt5Core.so.5()(64bit),libQt5Core.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit),libQt5Core.so.5(Qt_5.11)(64bit),libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit),libQt5Gui.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit),libQt5Widgets.so.5()(64bit),libQt5Widgets.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit) for pinentry-qt5-1.1.0-3.mga7.x86_64
* chosen lib64qt5gui5-5.11.2-2.mga7.x86_64 for libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit)

for gstreamer, python3-dnf

* requested python3-dbus, rpm-plugin-systemd-inhibit, bash-completion, python3-unbound recommended by python3-dnf-4.0.4-1.mga7.noarch
* selecting python3-dbus-1.2.8-1.mga7.x86_64
* requiring python3dist(pygobject) for python3-dbus-1.2.8-1.mga7.x86_64
* chosen python3-gobject3-3.30.2-1.mga7.x86_64 for python3dist(pygobject)
* requiring gobject-introspection,libgirepository-1.0.so.1()(64bit),python3-cairo[>= 1.10.0-15],typelib(Gdk),typelib(GdkPixbuf),typelib(GdkX11),typelib(Gtk),typelib(Pango),typelib(cairo) for python3-gobject3-3.30.2-1.mga7.x86_64
* packageCallbackChoices: default choice ('lib64gtk-gir4.0') from lib64gtk-gir4.0,lib64gtk-gir3.0,lib64gtk-gir2.0 for typelib(GdkX11)
* replacing typelib(GdkX11) with lib64gtk-gir4.0
* requiring gtk+4.0,gtk+4.0[== 3.94.0-3.mga7],libgraphene-1.0.so.0()(64bit),libgstbase-1.0.so.0()(64bit),libgstplayer-1.0.so.0()(64bit),libgstreamer-1.0.so.0()(64bit),libgstvideo-1.0.so.0()(64bit) for lib64gtk+4_0-3.94.0-3.mga7.x86_64

Or we can exclude the recommend packages ?

Hi.

Yes, you can run

urpmi --no-recommends

to skip the recommended packages and get a cleaner install.

Cheers,
Stig

CC: (none) => smelror

mate-polkit is the default polkit agent as it should be, but perhaps a minimal install should select polkit-agent-none, which would avoid the additional dependencies.

Summary: Minimal install comes with to much packages => Minimal install comes with too many packages

Assigning to the mageia tools maintainers, CC'ing the iso builders.

Assignee: bugsquad => mageiatools
CC: (none) => isobuild, marja11
Source RPM: (none) => drakx-installer-stage2

Those are packaging issues, not installer issues.
I always have to clean dep loops before each release b/c people blow minimal install

CC: (none) => thierry.vignaud

s/loops/chains/

I've pushed my first work for reducing back minimal install

I've axed the deps in drakxtools, gnupg2, pinentry & dnf.

As a side work, I've also reworked perl-base so that full perl isn't pulled by basesystem: perl, meta-task & perl-Time-HiRes

Source RPM: drakx-installer-stage2 => drakxtools, gnupg2, pinentry, dnf

Note that if samba would use python3 like in FC (need enabling python3 in talloc, tevent, ldb), that would prevent pulling python2 in basesystem:
draktools-backend -> smb-client -> libsamba -> python2

CC: (none) => mageia

I emphasize this as python pulls sqlite -> icu (including icu-data)

I fixed shorewall env so that it doesn't pull full perl.
However dnf is still pulling full perl through;

dnf -> deltarpm -> Net::Domain (b:c of /usr/bin/drpmsync)

In my custom install, commenting out dnf* from rpmsrate reduces the disk usage by 140Mb (from 1068 to 928Mb)
That's huge for core pkgs.

Suggestions::
- split drpmsync from deltarpm,
- filter out server deps (but server mode would be broken in minimal install -- but who cares?)

@Neal: see also that I axed dnf deps so that it stops pulling gstreamer & co in minimal install

CC: (none) => ngompa13

> @Neal: see also that I axed dnf deps so that it stops pulling gstreamer & co in minimal install

Yeah, I've not liked that python3-dbus does that. It's fine to comment it out for now, but when we switch over to using DNF as our primary package manager, we should restore this as a rich dep, as Fedora does.

> dnf -> deltarpm -> Net::Domain (b:c of /usr/bin/drpmsync)

Let's subpackage this out. We actually only need /usr/bin/*deltarpm commands for DNF.

I'm open to reducing the dep chain where we can for the DNF package manager stack. I already did go through some effort recently when I rebased to DNF 3.x and 4.x to simplify and reduce the dep chain, and it's certainly something I want to keep exploring as we keep going.

(In reply to Neal Gompa from comment #12)
> > @Neal: see also that I axed dnf deps so that it stops pulling gstreamer & co in minimal install
> 
> Yeah, I've not liked that python3-dbus does that. It's fine to comment it
> out for now, but when we switch over to using DNF as our primary package
> manager, we should restore this as a rich dep, as Fedora does.
> 

To clarify, this is used to check with NetworkManager if your connection is metered or not, and makes it so things like dnf-makecache and dnf-automatic services don't do anything on metered connections.

I just did a minimal install with Mageia-Cauldron-netinstall-nonfree-x86_64.iso, chose to install the _really_ minimal version which states that it comes without urpm.

After logging in, I still find urpm installed. Either this string needs to be changed or some deps that pulls urpm needs to be updated.

Why do I need genhdlist2 installed on a minimal system?

Is "sash" _really_ needed? I see that it states it can be used to update shared libs and that's how far my knowledge goes.

When I uninstall lib64x86_1, it also removes
- drakx-kbd-mouse-x11
- monitor-edid
- radeon-firmware-20180710

Then I can uninstall drakx-kbd-mouse-x11-text as well.

Neither of which are necessary.

(In reply to Stig-Ørjan Smelror from comment #14)
> I just did a minimal install with
> Mageia-Cauldron-netinstall-nonfree-x86_64.iso, chose to install the _really_
> minimal version which states that it comes without urpm.
> 
> After logging in, I still find urpm installed. Either this string needs to
> be changed or some deps that pulls urpm needs to be updated.
> 
> Why do I need genhdlist2 installed on a minimal system?
> 
> Is "sash" _really_ needed? I see that it states it can be used to update
> shared libs and that's how far my knowledge goes.
> 
> When I uninstall lib64x86_1, it also removes
> - drakx-kbd-mouse-x11
> - monitor-edid
> - radeon-firmware-20180710
> 
> Then I can uninstall drakx-kbd-mouse-x11-text as well.
> 
> Neither of which are necessary.

Please create a new bug and attach the report.bug.xz, here the minimal install is with urpm and doc (ie as default)

(In reply to Manuel Hiebel from comment #15)
> 
> Please create a new bug and attach the report.bug.xz, here the minimal
> install is with urpm and doc (ie as default)

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23911

(In reply to Stig-Ørjan Smelror from comment #14)
> I just did a minimal install with
> Mageia-Cauldron-netinstall-nonfree-x86_64.iso, chose to install the _really_
> minimal version which states that it comes without urpm.
> 
> After logging in, I still find urpm installed. Either this string needs to
> be changed or some deps that pulls urpm needs to be updated.
> 

Then it's a bug. "without urpmi" should not have installed it.

> Why do I need genhdlist2 installed on a minimal system?
> 

yes in case of "minimal with urpmi", it allows urpmi to generate missing hdlists on the fly, otherwise no.


> - drakx-kbd-mouse-x11
> - monitor-edid
> - radeon-firmware-20180710
> 
> Then I can uninstall drakx-kbd-mouse-x11-text as well.
> 
> Neither of which are necessary.

Theese are part of minimal install since it's meant to help witch gpu/display and kbd/mouse stuff without having to hunt for missing packages.

The naming could maybe be "better", but meh...

CC: (none) => tmb

(In reply to Stig-Ørjan Smelror from comment #14)
> I just did a minimal install with
> Mageia-Cauldron-netinstall-nonfree-x86_64.iso, chose to install the _really_
> minimal version which states that it comes without urpm.
> 
> After logging in, I still find urpm installed. Either this string needs to
> be changed or some deps that pulls urpm needs to be updated.
> 
> Why do I need genhdlist2 installed on a minimal system?

Because urpmi needs to call it in some cases
 
> Is "sash" _really_ needed? I see that it states it can be used to update
> shared libs and that's how far my knowledge goes.

It's pulled by the basesystem-minimal package
We carry it since 2002 but I don't remember why

> When I uninstall lib64x86_1, it also removes
> - drakx-kbd-mouse-x11
> - monitor-edid
> - radeon-firmware-20180710
> 
> Then I can uninstall drakx-kbd-mouse-x11-text as well.
> 
> Neither of which are necessary.

radeon-firmware was fixed as part of bug#23911

s/since 2002/since at least 2002/

After bug#23911, minimal install has been nearly halved

dnf/deltarpm has been processed.
It would be nice to fix samba now for python2 (Comment #9).

Also lib64python3.6-stdlib pulls python3-pip&setuptools by default, that's overkill IMHO
What's worse, we don't do it for python2...

May I suggest adding openssh-clients to minimal install.

It enables users to transfer files and connect to other computers in case of emergency and I find those tools essential.

It doesn't come with any network tools as of now.

Cheers,
Stig

(In reply to Thierry Vignaud from comment #21)
> dnf/deltarpm has been processed.
> It would be nice to fix samba now for python2 (Comment #9).
> 
> Also lib64python3.6-stdlib pulls python3-pip&setuptools by default, that's
> overkill IMHO
> What's worse, we don't do it for python2...

pip and setuptools aren't recommends? At least starting with Python 3.4 (I think?), Python bundles them because the `python3 -m venv` standard library module[1] expects it. So at least this is why pip and setuptools are pulled in by default.

[1]: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/venv.html

(In reply to Stig-Ørjan Smelror from comment #22)
> May I suggest adding openssh-clients to minimal install.

This is about reducing min install, not blowing it.
ssh client is NOT needed for min install.
if _you_ want it by default, do  like me, with an auto_inst.cfg.pl file containing the pkgs _you_ need.

Mine contains eg:
   'bash-completion', # better debugging
   'curl',            # network debugging
   'ntfs-3g',         # playing with 'bug'
   'openssh-clients', # for lftp fish://
   'openssh-server',  # for remote debugging
   'spice-vdagent',   # for mouse integration
   'strace',          # debugging
   'sudo',            # remote dbg 
   'vim-enhanced',    # better debugging
(...)

but there's no point in adding such pkgs to basesystem{,-minimal}

Another idea if we want to save a few installed bytes is to look at the core packages and see if they include documentation. If they do, separate or eliminate them.

(In reply to Stig-Ørjan Smelror from comment #25)
> Another idea if we want to save a few installed bytes is to look at the core
> packages and see if they include documentation. If they do, separate or
> eliminate them.

Why? We have transaction flags for automatically filtering those out if we need to per install.

(In reply to Neal Gompa from comment #26)
> (In reply to Stig-Ørjan Smelror from comment #25)
> > Another idea if we want to save a few installed bytes is to look at the core
> > packages and see if they include documentation. If they do, separate or
> > eliminate them.
> 
> Why? We have transaction flags for automatically filtering those out if we
> need to per install.

I'm no expert, so just throwing out ideas. They may sound stupid, but that's just my level of knowledge.

How do we filter out these if we need to?

Cheers,
Stig

Just:
1) Choose "Custom Desktop" when choosing a desktop
2) Click on "Unselect All" when you got the list of categories with checkboxes
(in "Package Group Selection")
3) On next screen, just unselect "With basic documentation (recommended!)"

I think that what Stig-Ørjan means is if there are large documentation files in core packages to split them in a different sub-package (with a recommends tag) to save space on the minimal install, not number of packages here. I'm unsure whether we have such huge docs embedded in core packages however.

Another way to test this, is to use a choot that canserve as a base for a Docker container, such what I'm doing for my tests with https://github.com/bcornec/mageia-docker/blob/master/mageia-docker
I'm not yet ready to advertize that largely, but if you find it useful, feel free to reuse !

CC: (none) => bruno

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