| Summary: | One-line prayer in WxHexEditor code (was:Laicity in softwares) | ||
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| Product: | Mageia | Reporter: | Jybz <j.biernacki+mga> |
| Component: | RPM Packages | Assignee: | Mageia Bug Squad <bugsquad> |
| Status: | RESOLVED WONTFIX | QA Contact: | |
| Severity: | normal | ||
| Priority: | Normal | CC: | marja11, zen25000 |
| Version: | 6 | Keywords: | UPSTREAM |
| Target Milestone: | --- | ||
| Hardware: | All | ||
| OS: | Linux | ||
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| Source RPM: | WxHexEditor | CVE: | |
| Status comment: | |||
From the sources, line 45/46/47 of the file ./src/HexEditor.cpp https://github.com/EUA/wxHexEditor/blob/master/src/HexEditor.cpp (In reply to Jybz from comment #0) > > I can assume that people believe in the idea of god, and respecte them. > But it has nothing to do in softwares. Don't install bibletime, then ;-) > I feel really offended to read it in the terminal. > > Since when, WxHexEditor is poping religious sentences in CLI ? > It is sad that you feel offended :-( The line was in the code since at least June 15, 2008, when the project was started or moved to https://github.com/EUA/wxHexEditor and the file it's in was named slightly differently. Did you use this software before, without seeing that line when starting the application from cli? I'm trying to understand why you feel so very offended. You don't see the message in the window that opens, do you? I can imagine seeing it in the application window would be annoying, but I see no offense in that one-line prayer being printed in the terminal from which the application is started. We've had many "Merry Christmas" and "Happy Passover" etc. wishes in our IRC channels that didn't seem to annoy anyone and I've had conversations about religion, church choires etc. with several Mageians, that didn't seem to offend anyone, either. Personally, I feel we can't complain upstream about WxHexEditor bugs, after having removed the little prayer. *That* would feel very disrespectful to me. But then, I can understand Erdem U. Altinyurt. Prayer is a positive word to me. He is not trying to convert you, he only wants his software to be very good :-) CC'ing our WxHexEditor maintainer. CC:
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marja11, zen25000 (In reply to Marja Van Waes from comment #2) > (In reply to Jybz from comment #0) > > > > > I can assume that people believe in the idea of god, and respecte them. > > But it has nothing to do in softwares. > > Don't install bibletime, then ;-) Bibletime ?! I even didn't know this software, but anyway, it wasn't what I'm looking for. If I was looking for a praying software, I wouln't report stuff like it. > > > I feel really offended to read it in the terminal. > > > > Since when, WxHexEditor is poping religious sentences in CLI ? > > > > It is sad that you feel offended :-( Yea... I've to fight it almost everyday, I'm loosing people which become crazy with that idea. The group of people who think that rights are acquired doesn't fight against, but on the other side, they are everyday more powerful. Anyway, I feel good when I meet new people, they are coming from abroad, and the main reason why they left, was the religions in the state and in the law. There is still part in France, where taxes are use to pay priests, it is also very offending... So, I disagree to give any window to this ideas. > > The line was in the code since at least June 15, 2008, when the project was > started or moved to https://github.com/EUA/wxHexEditor and the file it's in > was named slightly differently. > > Did you use this software before, without seeing that line when starting the > application from cli? I didn't make attention before ! But now I'm sure, I will urpme that software. > > I'm trying to understand why you feel so very offended. You don't see the > message in the window that opens, do you? I can imagine seeing it in the > application window would be annoying, but I see no offense in that one-line > prayer being printed in the terminal from which the application is started. No, only on the terminal. It is already too much for me ^^ > > We've had many "Merry Christmas" and "Happy Passover" etc. wishes in our IRC > channels that didn't seem to annoy anyone and I've had conversations about > religion, church choires etc. with several Mageians, that didn't seem to > offend anyone, either. I'm (still) okay with wishes for holidays, when we wishes to have good feast, I really hope that people mind "I hope you will have a pleasant time and things with your relatives", and not with the other idea. It is for me still something else. Since the religions monopolized the previous feast, we forget that celebrating was without before. I hope we can soon re-celebrate without. > > Personally, I feel we can't complain upstream about WxHexEditor bugs, after > having removed the little prayer. *That* would feel very disrespectful to me. I also agree, he made it, and it is disrespectful to remove it, but I feel it goes in the both ways. > But then, I can understand Erdem U. Altinyurt. Prayer is a positive word to > me. > He is not trying to convert you, he only wants his software to be very good > :-) Thank you for not trying to convert me, I have enough in my entourage. :) > > CC'ing our WxHexEditor maintainer. (In reply to J-B B from comment #3) > (In reply to Marja Van Waes from comment #2) > > > > > Personally, I feel we can't complain upstream about WxHexEditor bugs, after > > having removed the little prayer. *That* would feel very disrespectful to me. > I also agree, he made it, and it is disrespectful to remove it, but I feel > it goes in the both ways. I'm sure EUA didn't add it out of lack of respect for you. Let me try to explain: It reminds me of when I was 20 years old and working as a cook in a small Montessori boarding school. I was very much aware of how important good food is and very much aware of everything that can go wrong. So much aware, that it would have paralysed me if I hadn't prayed intensely over every meal that I cooked. The prayers helped me to relax, helped me to focus on my job and cook good meals. To me the saying "Do your best and God will do the rest" came true there. "Cooking" software resembles cooking meals, there is so very much that can go wrong and the consequences can be so very bad. I think EUA added that little prayer to the code to make it more intense, more powerful. Anyway, closing as WONTFIX since you agree that *we* can't remove that line. Also adding the UPSTREAM keyword, in case someone wants to report the same issue and finds this ticket. If you still feel that EUA is disrespectful to you, then you might want to report that upstream https://github.com/EUA/wxHexEditor/issues If you do so, then please give a link to your ticket in this Mageia bug report Summary:
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One-line prayer in WxHexEditor code (was:Laicity in softwares) No problem. But to continue your metaphor, it is like writing the proselytizing sentence in the mash with a fork for all plate prepared. It doesn't change the function of the mash, nor the quality, it even does not change the taste and both are only visual. Like you, he could do it orally. I will not do the upstream report, I don't have a github account anymore, since it was bought. :D But in general, I would like to know what are the lines of Mageia about that kind of content ? If most of developers start to write code with political statement ? Lobbying ? (or worst, code is code, advertising code (like this sentence, it is a kind of advertising of church lobby), code is also cryptocurrency mining, in a program for another function (Ok, this last example is going too far, I already agree with all claim ^^.) (In reply to J-B B from comment #5) > > But in general, I would like to know what are the lines of Mageia about that > kind of content ? We have our code of conduct: http://www.mageia.org/en/about/code-of-conduct/ Anyone is welcome to contribute, as long as he/she does his/her best to comply. Mageia is open to all, when finding volunteers to man a stand, we never say: "Make sure you don't wear a cross, a star of David or anything else that might be seen as a religious or an atheist symbol", because we're an inclusive distribution: Mageia is open to all, regardless of skin colour, religious or atheist beliefs, etc. However, we wouldn't allow a swastika, because that would go against our code of conduct. We don't stop packaging the kernel, even if its main developer openly stated: "My name is Linus Torvalds and I am your god." and even if some kernel contributors act as if he really is god. We love the former Mageia contributor who wrote the Xochiquetzal bot, which was in our IRC channels in the beginning, and no one ever had a problem with the fact that Xochiquetzal is the name of a godess. As far as I know Mageia isn't required by French law to comply with something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_religious_symbols_in_schools If you still think Mageia should act like a French school, you can write a mail to council@group.m.o and to board@g.m.o |
Hi everybody. I can assume that people believe in the idea of god, and respecte them. But it has nothing to do in softwares. I feel really offended to read it in the terminal. Since when, WxHexEditor is poping religious sentences in CLI ? ----------------------------------------------------- [root@jeeebz bin]# urpmi wxhexeditor Pour satisfaire les dépendances, les paquetages suivants vont être installés : Paquetage Version Révision Arch (média « Core Release (distrib1) ») lib64wxgtku2.8_0 2.8.12 19.mga6 x86_64 wxgtk2.8 2.8.12 19.mga6 x86_64 wxhexeditor 0.23 2.mga6 x86_64 un espace additionnel de 15Mo sera utilisé. 3.6Mo de paquets seront récupérés. Procéder à l'installation des 3 paquetages ? (O/n) o $MIRRORLIST: media/core/release/wxgtk2.8-2.8.12-19.mga6.x86_64.rpm $MIRRORLIST: media/core/release/lib64wxgtku2.8_0-2.8.12-19.mga6.x86_64.rpm $MIRRORLIST: media/core/release/wxhexeditor-0.23-2.mga6.x86_64.rpm installation de lib64wxgtku2.8_0-2.8.12-19.mga6.x86_64.rpm wxhexeditor-0.23-2.mga6.x86_64.rpm wxgtk2.8-2.8.12-19.mga6.x86_64.rpm depuis /var/cache/urpmi/rpms Préparation... ############################################# 1/3: wxgtk2.8 ############################################# 2/3: lib64wxgtku2.8_0 ############################################# 3/3: wxhexeditor ############################################# [root@jeeebz bin]# exit exit [jybz@jeeebz bin]$ wxHexEditor ./your.lss Rahman ve Rahim olan Allah'ın adıyla. Send UpdateUI Event Send UpdateUI Event Send UpdateUI Event OnMenuEvent: 5000 Rahman ve Rahim olan Allah'ın adıyla. ----------------------------------------------------- https://translate.google.com/#tr/en/Rahman%20ve%20Rahim%20olan%20Allah'%C4%B1n%20ad%C4%B1yla. ----------------------------------------------------- What is the policy of Mga about religious contents ? What is the laws about modifying a software (removing this sentence before mageias compilation without modifying the name of the software) ? (Sorry, but there are things which make me really upset!)