Bug 20297

Summary:	Update urpmi to say There are no updates available when running urpmi --auto-select --auto if all packages have been updated
Product:	Mageia	Reporter:	Kristoffer Grundström <lovaren>
Component:	RPM Packages	Assignee:	Mageia Bug Squad <bugsquad>
Status:	RESOLVED WONTFIX	QA Contact:
Severity:	enhancement
Priority:	Normal	CC:	ftg, mageiatools, marja11
Version:	Cauldron	Keywords:	NEEDINFO
Target Milestone:	---
Hardware:	All
OS:	Linux
Whiteboard:
Source RPM:	urpmi	CVE:
Status comment:

Description Kristoffer Grundström 2017-02-15 13:59:29 CET

Description of problem: If/When you type urpmi --auto-select --auto and your locale is set to Swedish I find the translation that I did a bit wrong, but I think the msgid needs to be written like this instead: "There are no updates available"

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): 8.106

How reproducible: Everytime.

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Open a terminal window.
2. Type su - and press Enter/Return button.
3. Type your root password and press Enter/Return button.
4. Type urpmi.update -a && urpmi --auto-select --auto
5. If there are no updates, then you'll see Packages are up to date when it in fact should say "There are no updates available".

Kristoffer Grundström 2017-02-15 14:00:12 CET

Summary: Update urpmi to say All packages are up to date when running urpmi.update -a => Update urpmi to say All packages are up to date when running urpmi --auto-select --auto

Kristoffer Grundström 2017-02-15 14:01:23 CET

Summary: Update urpmi to say All packages are up to date when running urpmi --auto-select --auto => Update urpmi to say There are no updates available when running urpmi --auto-select --auto if all packages have been updated

Comment 1 Marja Van Waes 2017-02-15 15:25:04 CET

(In reply to Kristoffer GrundstrÃ¶m from comment #0)

> 5. If there are no updates, then you'll see Packages are up to date when it
> in fact should say "There are no updates available".

Why? Because, especially in stable, there'll often be a newer version upstream? Then you could still argue that "There are no updates available" is wrong, too, because a user can fetch the update from upstream and compile it locally.

Or because, if a user didn't configure the needed update media, or uses an outdated mirror, he won't get (all) the updates?
In that case, "There are no updates available" isn't correct, either, because they are available after correctly adding the update media from a good mirror.

CC: (none) => mageiatools, marja11

Marja Van Waes 2017-02-18 20:54:42 CET

Keywords: (none) => NEEDINFO

Comment 2 Frank Griffin 2017-02-18 22:00:09 CET

As Marja says, when you factor in the fallibility of the mirror, both phrases mean virtually the same thing.

However, "Packages are up to date" is more technically accurate for those who maintain a local mirror of MGA.  Updating in this case has two phases: first, sync with your reference mirror and second, do urpmi --auto-update.  Unless you have every package in the repository instaled on your system (which is impossible since some conflict with others), the sync may download lots of updated packages that you just don't have installed, but if there just don't happen to be any updates to your install set, "Packages are up-to-date" is more accurate than "there are no updates", since you just saw the sync download a bunch of updates.

CC: (none) => ftg

Comment 3 Marja Van Waes 2017-02-21 20:08:08 CET

Thanks, Frank.

@ Kristoffer

I'm closing this report as wontfix, because the suggestion isn't an improvement. 

Even if it were an improvement: Changing existing strings breaks all translations, some of them will take a very long time to be fixed.

Please only ask for changes when the original string is really wrong.

Status: NEW => RESOLVED
Resolution: (none) => WONTFIX